My (probably unpopular) opinion on arab refugees

[Amarok]

Evolution is not a proper consideration when determining what the right thing to do is BECAUSE it isn't good or bad. And history is not an excuse for repeating mistakes. Irony is also not an excuse to not do the right thing.

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Evolution isn't good or bad.  The discrepancy in our thinking, is that I think everything is evolution.  Your determining of what the right thing to do is just a product of evolution, meaning that determination is also not good or bad.  It's just how you see things, which is irrelevant to anyone who sees things differently.

And this will never get anywhere, because your life is based on a series of premises that are essentially hardwired.  Premises so ingrained that you can't not project them onto me, because you can't empathize 

That's why people keep saying "Historical fallacy!"  People can't seem to wrap their heads around the idea of not believing everyone should act in accordance with your own beliefs.  I'm not saying anything is right or wrong.  I'm not trying to justify anything.  I'm just saying how things are.  As a practical observation of humanity.  Russia can bomb a bunch of Syrians in Aleppo if that's what they want to do.  Your moral objections don't matter to anyone but yourself.  

If you said "I want to eat a cheeseburger for lunch."  And I said "That's fine."  And  a 3rd person said "MEAT IS MURDER!!!  YOU ARE AN EVIL COW MURDERER!!!  ALL LIFE IS PRECIOUS!!"  It's still fine for you to eat the cheeseburger.  And the 3rd person is going have the same complaints you do.  And I'm going to say, people eat meat.  That's just how it is, buddy.  And they are going to say "HIstorical precedent fallacy!!!  Just because they ate meat, it doesn't make it right!"  And I'll say "It isn't a matter of right or wrong, it's just evolution."  And they'll say "Evolution is not a proper consideration...." etc...


Also, I don't think the bad things in history are mistakes.  It's just history, with no need to qualify.  All it does, is give us insight into what we are.

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To wall i'm not going to go over every point you made because there is no point really so i'll sum up

1. your long ass rant about moral this moral that is post modernist garbage and belongs just there

2.At no point did I call you names by your comments and your own admission of your condition (fyi I support neurodiversity because I am autistic  and no it's not looted together it's a spectrum

3. I called you inhuman not because you your condition but because of your attitude

4. your whole bullshit argument is one massive cluster duck of logical fallacies

My attitude is rock solid, buckaroo.  I'm just calmly discussing stuff with people on the interwebs.  You, however, seem to be getting a little emotional.  

But that's probably just a function of why we're here in the first place.  You probably find comfort in hanging out with a bunch of like-minded folks on the internet, just basking in the nice feelings of your shared world views, which is absolutely fine.  It sounds nice.  I'm here, however, to prod some human brains with a stick as I keep trying to figure out how they work.  So, I'm likely getting more of what I want out of this than you are.   I understand why you believe everything you do, and I'm fine with it.  It makes enough sense. I'm actually not interested in changing anyone's opinion.  I just like putting an idea in front of someone, and seeing what they think of it.  I'm not trolling, I do believe the stuff I'm saying, but human obstinance (obstinateness?) is a very curious thing to me.  This forum, in fact, shares that curiosity, I think, except it's usually directed at how people manage to believe in God.  Although, you folks often seem to take that personally, where as I don't mind anyone believing anything.

Wow you have written a small novel yet have said pretty much nothing at all so i'll sum up

1. Miss using evolution and determinism just as many other dubious individuals have done throughout history and trying to pass it off as some objective critique of human nature. (and failing to do so) Then trying to falsely accuse me of hypocrisy for calling you out on it.(your cheese burger analogy is nonsense learn how to make analogy )

2.Nope your attitude is just as i have said weather calm or not (as if calling me emotional is a point against me as if to be rational on must forgo emotion) .And you don't know shit about my reason for being here nor is it any of your business . Nor do you comprehend my why i think as i do .And this has nothing to do with mere beliefs so you can drop canard .Nor do i care about  your motivations here. and no i don't think your a troll i think your something infinitely worst . and lastly good thing your not trying to pursued people because i doubt many would fall for your fallacies .

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Our general focus on "free speech" allows you to write your opinion, no matter how repugnant.

Doesn't mean we have to accept what you write, pat you on the head and give you a participation medal.

In fact, forum members may use their speech privileges to criticize you. I know it must come as a shock.

These must be trying times. Be brave.

I just said I like hearing what other people have to say.  That's the reason why I come here.   I'm not sure what you've read that'd make you think I'm unhappy with anything that's been said.

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Reading this thread has Donne echoing in my head:

No man is an island,
Entire of itself,
Every man is a piece of the continent,
A part of the main.
If a clod be washed away by the sea,
Europe is the less.
As well as if a promontory were.
As well as if a manor of thy friend's
Or of thine own were:
Any man's death diminishes me,
Because I am involved in mankind,
And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls;
It tolls for thee.

It's a very old idea.  I wonder how much of the notion is biological vs. conditioning vs reason.

A question I've never thought to ask...Do you have a dissenting voice in your head on the matter?  Or are all the neurons working as a team 100% on the bell always tolling for thee front?

And more insane babble