RE: My (probably unpopular) opinion on arab refugees
December 6, 2016 at 10:21 pm
(This post was last modified: December 6, 2016 at 10:21 pm by henryp.)
(December 6, 2016 at 5:37 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote:wallym Wrote:And this will never get anywhere, because your life is based on a series of premises that are essentially hardwired. Premises so ingrained that you can't not project them onto me, because you can't empathize
As an admitted sociopath, you seem confused about which if us would have trouble empathizing.
wallym Wrote:That's why people keep saying "Historical fallacy!" People can't seem to wrap their heads around the idea of not believing everyone should act in accordance with your own beliefs. I'm not saying anything is right or wrong. I'm not trying to justify anything. I'm just saying how things are. As a practical observation of humanity. Russia can bomb a bunch of Syrians in Aleppo if that's what they want to do. Your moral objections don't matter to anyone but yourself.
They keep saying it because it's a fallacy, and you keep making it. The discussion is about what we should do, not about how things are. We don't have to do things the same way we used to, no matter how practical your observations are. That my moral objections don't matter to anyone but me is easily tested: does anyone else reading this care about my moral objections?
wallym Wrote:It's no surprise so many of you are depressed.
Unsupported assertion, dismissed as such.
1) Empathy has two applications. There's understanding how and why someone feels a certain way by looking at things from their perspective. That I enjoy doing, and partake in it as sincerely and fully as possible. And then there's caring about those people/feelings, which I don't really do.
2) When the tangent started, the tangent wasn't about what we should do. The tangent was about how I described what people do. I said the reason arguments about refugees never go anywhere, is because people disagree on human life being valuable. If you don't believe human life is valuable, then you can just kill the people in Aleppo, and that's fine.
Folks didn't like that, because they personally don't think it's fine, and if they don't personally think it's fine, thems the rules for everything in the universe for all time. I disagreed.
I kept trying to show how limited the scope of people's moral objections were via examples (in time and circumstance), but that's when everyone kept crying "Historical Fallacy" even though, I wasn't claiming anything was right or wrong. Just that their moral objections were and continue to be mostly irrelevant to almost everything.
What's crazy, is a big part of this forum, is just a big fuck you to the moral objections of religious folk. Religious people say "You shouldn't do that!" And atheists say, "Fuck off. It's fine, because you're moral objections don't dictate our behavior." It's almost creepy how exactly the same the two things are, and nobody seems to see it. It's, frankly, surreal.
3) I've seen you on here plenty. The depression thing is anecdotal, at the same time, I've seen a couple times when someone posts "I'm depressed" and people pile into that thread like a clown car with their own "I'm depressed too" stories.
