(December 13, 2016 at 3:19 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: Here's the thing, though. Can we (I mean liberals/progressives) win elections when we frame everyone else as morons? We are just as complicit as everyone else in creating an us vs. them binary.
I think most far left liberals are morons too. Besides, my statement wasn't to say they are all morons. I'm friends with a lot of them. It is to say I'm surprised at how many morons have become obvious since this election. I mean there are a fucking lot of idiots.
Quote:I mean, the tiniest, internetiest portion of Trump's base are the ones who are buying into the conspiracy theories and other idiocy. The average Trump supporter isn't going to rallies and cheering when he basically lies and misrepresents shit.
I'd like to agree with you, but my experience tells me different. Sure, most of them aren't going to rallies, but I've seen a ton of people I would have thought good and decent people believe the lies.
Quote:Some people held their nose and voted for him just like I held my nose and voted for Hillary. Because the policies, to me, are more important than the fucking shitty ass candidate.
Sure, some of them. There are enough that are batshit crazy for me to be concerned.
Quote:The same can be said of avid supporters of any candidate. They will hear what they want to hear. I think a lot of the die hard Bernie supporters were the same way. He's going to wipe out my student debt! He's going to make healthcare free for all! He's going to end lobbying and money in politics! No, he wasn't. But a lot of us heard that and got super excited because those issues are important to us, even if they were unrealistic. It's not the same as the racism and populism that Trump espouses, but it is there nonetheless.
Like I said, lots of idiots on the other end of the spectrum too. The difference is, Bernie's values were all in the right place. He is a good man. That's not a matter of opinion.
Quote:I just don't trust liberals to vote, because most are going to have no change in their lives regardless of who is in office. By and large they say the social issues are important to them, but most are never going to have/need an abortion, most are not members of the LGBT community, most live in places where idiots with AR-15s at the local Sonic is not an issue, and therefore most are vocal supporters of those issues, but when push comes to shove, they don't care enough to vote.
I'm not sure it's just the liberals. I think Democrats in general fucked up. Complacency, inability to take time off work to vote, whatever the case is, they didn't show up.
Quote:So when we create this dichotomy where everyone who voted for Trump is a cretinous moron, we shore up the phenomena where even though they may be second guessing, they dig in and double down.
But I don't believe they are all cretinous morons. I believe that most of the cretinous morons lean Trump, sure. I'm merely pointing out that decent people need to have some serious cognitive dissonance to support Trump.
Quote:Conservatives fucking vote. They have that going for them in spades. They will continue to win gubernatorial elections and congressional elections because liberals and progressives don't fucking care enough to be interested in getting off their asses. That is galling to me.
I find it weird, but they vote in my neck of the woods. We had 75% registered voter turnout.
