RE: Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist?
December 15, 2016 at 12:42 am
(This post was last modified: December 15, 2016 at 12:44 am by AceBoogie.)
(December 15, 2016 at 12:28 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I'm not sure how else to explain it. It makes sense to me the way I said it, so I'm not sure where the disconnect is. Knowing what we will choose to do bc he has seen the future =/= predetermined fate and does not take away our free will. Let's say you jump into a time machine 20 years into the future to spy on your friend and what he's done with his life. And then you come back to 2016, but now you know what the coarse of your friend's life will be, assuming you do nothing to intervene or try to change what he does. I don't see how your knowledge of his future choices means you are taking away his free will.
Also, I'm not sure I follow your coke analogy. This suggests that God sets up entire specific scenarios and situations to put us in. That is not my belief of how things work.
You just contradicted yourself. Saying he knows what you will do because he has seen the future is the equivalent of saying he already has determined what you will do because he knows what you will do before you do it. Your actions have been predetermined.
God created everything right? He created the future, the past, the current moment, everything. Either that or you're saying god does not intervene in human affairs... which is it?
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It is the air and light of every heart – builder of every home, kindler of every fire on every hearth. It was the first to dream of immortality. It fills the world with melody – for music is the voice of love.
Love is the magician, the enchanter, that changes worthless things to Joy, and makes royal kings and queens of common clay. It is the perfume of that wondrous flower, the heart, and without that sacred passion, that divine swoon, we are less than beasts; but with it, earth is heaven, and we are gods.” - Robert. G. Ingersoll
