RE: Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist?
December 15, 2016 at 9:25 pm
(This post was last modified: December 15, 2016 at 9:30 pm by John V.)
(December 15, 2016 at 9:20 pm)operator Wrote: Did I ever make a conclusion about god's power? No.
Yes, you did. The So...? construct implies that you find the question to be evident from the quoted position.
Quote:You did. You said god does not have free will since he already knows what he's going to do. From that, I asked if god is not all powerful at which point you proceeded to dodge my question.
But if it's really just a question, the answer is...no. Free will doesn't seem to be a function of power.
Quote:For a definition of all powerful, see Mr Greene's post.
Which one? He tied two together. My response depends on which is used, hence the request for a definition in the first place.
Quote:If you're not going to attempt to have a genuine discussion, you can kindly fuck off.
If you can't define your terms, you're not capable of having a genuine discussion.
(December 15, 2016 at 5:12 pm)Asmodee Wrote: Free will is a myth any way you slice it.
From the religious perspective, God is all-knowing. He knew how things would turn out before he decided to set them in motion. He knew man would eat from the tree if he just left them alone with Satan. So he left them alone with Satan. He knew who would be saved and who would be damned before creation. He knew how everything would turn out before he even set it in motion. And in the few times when they wouldn't turn out the way he wanted, he changed things. He "hardened Pharaoh's heart" when he REALLY wanted to kill a bunch of people, to give an example.
Why do you say that God decided to do something, implying that he had free will, when you say that he knew the outcome beforehand?
