RE: Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist?
December 16, 2016 at 7:34 am
(This post was last modified: December 16, 2016 at 7:40 am by John V.)
(December 15, 2016 at 9:37 pm)operator Wrote: Wrong. No, I didn't. You implied that god does not have free will so I was asking you to clarify whether or not you were saying god was not all powerful. I never made any conclusions about god's power.
OK, if you've not made conclusions about God's power, I take it it's not an issue for you at the moment. If you change your mind and actually want to assert a claim regarding power, we can discuss it.
Quote:Are you admitting that god does not have free will?
Er, yes, I'm "admitting" to my position - by your definition of free will, God does not have free will. Further, if it's unreasonable to judge the actions of a being which doesn't have free will, then it's unreasonable to judge God for his actions.
(December 16, 2016 at 4:53 am)robvalue Wrote: If I have a free choice, no one can know what I'll do before I make the choice. That's what free means. Otherwise, you may as well say a robot has free will. It has the capability to do all kinds of things, but it does what it's programmed to do. It's predictable. Did it choose to do the thing it was destined to do? God being "outside of our time" doesn't change anything. He stills knows what I'll do, before I do it, from my points of view. So I cannot choose to do otherwise. From his point of view, it's like watching a film. Or viewing every slide of a film at once.
And Rob unwittingly puts up another argument. If you conclude that we don't have free will, then we aren't agents with rights to fair judgment.
