RE: Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist?
December 17, 2016 at 7:11 am
(This post was last modified: December 17, 2016 at 7:13 am by robvalue.)
Yeah, one version I've heard is that God can do anything that is logically possible.
That instantly wipes our precognition, because knowing the outcome of a genuine choice beforehand is logically impossible.
It has no need to know outcomes anyway. At any point it can reset the whole of reality to any point it wants. Nothing can "go wrong". It can't lose. It can't run out of mana. It can just fuck around to its heart's content.
It's far easier to defend a God that hasn't seen the future. Still not easy, but easier.
The thing is, on the one hand this is supposed to be an environment created solely for us and as such is supposed to be impressive. We're supposed to have this amazing existence which is really good.
On the other hand, this is just a test, which lasts for 0% of our entire existence. The real "life", where we'll actually be happy, begins after all of this is done. Another contradiction. No one expects to be on the beach in Barbados during their maths exam. But then, I don't expect to be taken out and tortured if I fail the test, either.
I do fully respect that each theist has their own ideas about God and how all this works. The fact that they can't agree on a single point about is entity is pretty good evidence that they can't all be talking about the same thing. Or if they are, they know nothing about it.
That instantly wipes our precognition, because knowing the outcome of a genuine choice beforehand is logically impossible.
It has no need to know outcomes anyway. At any point it can reset the whole of reality to any point it wants. Nothing can "go wrong". It can't lose. It can't run out of mana. It can just fuck around to its heart's content.
It's far easier to defend a God that hasn't seen the future. Still not easy, but easier.
The thing is, on the one hand this is supposed to be an environment created solely for us and as such is supposed to be impressive. We're supposed to have this amazing existence which is really good.
On the other hand, this is just a test, which lasts for 0% of our entire existence. The real "life", where we'll actually be happy, begins after all of this is done. Another contradiction. No one expects to be on the beach in Barbados during their maths exam. But then, I don't expect to be taken out and tortured if I fail the test, either.
I do fully respect that each theist has their own ideas about God and how all this works. The fact that they can't agree on a single point about is entity is pretty good evidence that they can't all be talking about the same thing. Or if they are, they know nothing about it.
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