Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: September 4, 2026, 2:58 am

Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist?
RE: Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist?
Yeah, one version I've heard is that God can do anything that is logically possible.

That instantly wipes our precognition, because knowing the outcome of a genuine choice beforehand is logically impossible.

It has no need to know outcomes anyway. At any point it can reset the whole of reality to any point it wants. Nothing can "go wrong". It can't lose. It can't run out of mana. It can just fuck around to its heart's content.

It's far easier to defend a God that hasn't seen the future. Still not easy, but easier.

The thing is, on the one hand this is supposed to be an environment created solely for us and as such is supposed to be impressive. We're supposed to have this amazing existence which is really good.

On the other hand, this is just a test, which lasts for 0% of our entire existence. The real "life", where we'll actually be happy, begins after all of this is done. Another contradiction. No one expects to be on the beach in Barbados during their maths exam. But then, I don't expect to be taken out and tortured if I fail the test, either.

I do fully respect that each theist has their own ideas about God and how all this works. The fact that they can't agree on a single point about is entity is pretty good evidence that they can't all be talking about the same thing. Or if they are, they know nothing about it.
Feel free to send me a private message.
Please visit my website here! It's got lots of information about atheism/theism and support for new atheists.

Index of useful threads and discussions
Index of my best videos
Quickstart guide to the forum
Reply



Messages In This Thread
RE: Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist? - by deleteduser12345 - December 15, 2016 at 6:18 am
RE: Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist? - by deleteduser12345 - December 15, 2016 at 8:50 am
RE: Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist? - by deleteduser12345 - December 15, 2016 at 11:19 am
RE: Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist? - by deleteduser12345 - December 15, 2016 at 11:35 am
RE: Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist? - by deleteduser12345 - December 15, 2016 at 11:44 am
RE: Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist? - by deleteduser12345 - December 15, 2016 at 11:52 am
RE: Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist? - by deleteduser12345 - December 15, 2016 at 11:58 am
RE: Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist? - by deleteduser12345 - December 15, 2016 at 12:04 pm
RE: Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist? - by deleteduser12345 - December 15, 2016 at 12:08 pm
RE: Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist? - by deleteduser12345 - December 15, 2016 at 2:55 pm
RE: Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist? - by deleteduser12345 - December 15, 2016 at 12:06 pm
RE: Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist? - by deleteduser12345 - December 16, 2016 at 7:59 pm
RE: Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist? - by robvalue - December 17, 2016 at 7:11 am
RE: Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist? - by deleteduser12345 - December 17, 2016 at 7:37 am
RE: Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist? - by deleteduser12345 - December 17, 2016 at 8:26 am
RE: Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist? - by deleteduser12345 - December 18, 2016 at 3:43 pm
RE: Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist? - by deleteduser12345 - December 18, 2016 at 4:16 pm
RE: Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist? - by deleteduser12345 - December 18, 2016 at 4:33 pm
RE: Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist? - by deleteduser12345 - December 23, 2016 at 5:08 pm

Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  A thing about religious (and other) people and the illusion of free will ShinyCrystals 268 80534 June 23, 2025 at 10:23 pm
Last Post: awty
  Theists, provide your arguments for God. Disagreeable 41 10817 August 9, 2024 at 12:22 pm
Last Post: Ferrocyanide
  Free Will Theodicy FlatAssembler 64 15479 July 13, 2023 at 2:15 pm
Last Post: Bucky Ball
  Serious question about thoughts on theists Kingpin 118 31274 May 18, 2023 at 2:44 pm
Last Post: The Grand Nudger
  Theists: What is your stance on evolution? Agnostic1 118 30397 March 27, 2022 at 8:48 pm
Last Post: The Architect Of Fate
  On the lunacy of free will slartibartfast 152 32480 October 20, 2021 at 12:50 am
Last Post: Oldandeasilyconfused
  If god can't lie, does that mean he can't do everything? Paraselene 184 51249 September 10, 2021 at 4:20 pm
Last Post: Dundee
  Theists, tell me, an atheist, why your God has neglected to show himself to me? ignoramus 75 40582 March 5, 2021 at 6:49 am
Last Post: awty
  If artificial super intelligence erases humans, will theists see this as God's plan? Face2face 24 10684 March 5, 2021 at 6:40 am
Last Post: awty
  Am I right to assume, that theists cannot prove that I am not god? Vast Vision 116 60765 March 5, 2021 at 6:39 am
Last Post: awty



Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)