(December 17, 2016 at 7:42 am)operator Wrote: 1) How can we share in god's life and joy if we are suffering? Should five year old children with cancer be joyous that they are sharing god's life and joy while they go through chemotherapy?
2) How do you know this? What is your proof for this? Some verse in the bible?There is no humility in bowing to a nonexistent god... only shame.
3) Most, if not all individuals, experience hardship in some way, shape or form. But I'm sorry the fact that I experienced some traumatic events in my childhood does not compare to a child being born with no arms or legs... That is suffering. And you think this is okay because at least this child got the opportunity to suffer with god? You're an asshole.
4) No, it doesn't because there is no proof that your god even exists.
I bow before no god. Especially not one that lets five year old kids starve to death, or get bone cancer, or die of some tropical disease from a fucking bug bite. If you really believe what you're saying you are a sick fuck.
1) Excellent questions. I don't mean that we feel happy when we are suffering. I mean that, because god suffers with us, our suffering somehow brings us into a share god's divinity. It is part of the reality of suffering, even when it feels like the complete opposite. That doesn't make us enjoy suffering.
A poor child enduring cancer and chemotherapy can only be as joyous as they find reason for joy. Some children with cancer and chemotherapy are comforted and find joy in the fact that god endures that cancer and chemotherapy with them. It does not take away the pain. It does not take away the immense suffering. all it does is provide a small light amidst that incredible darkness.
2) I know this because Jesus died on the cross, and rose from the dead. Jesus endured all of humanity's suffering on the cross (even every single suffering of every single child who ever endured cancer), and then Jesus rose from the dead. That is what we can expect. Suffering with god, and rising from the dead united to his divine life. Of course, if there is no god, then none of that means anything.
3) No, I do not think it is ok. I still think it is messed up that children suffer all kinds of unimaginable abuse, illness and neglect. I don't know why god wrote that into our story. All I know is that he does not distance himself from it, and instead, he is close to all of those children and will give them more joy in the next life than he will to me who has suffered very little.
4) Fair enough
