RE: Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist?
December 17, 2016 at 8:37 am
(This post was last modified: December 17, 2016 at 8:41 am by Ignorant.)
(December 17, 2016 at 7:37 am)RozKek Wrote: @Ignorant
Does he suffer with the ones that he pretermined will go to hell? [1]
Does he burn in hell with them for eternities? [2] Is it just to doom someone to eternal burning and suffering?
1) In this life, he suffers with everyone, not just those who will go to heaven.
2) No, but this is a position which the Church allows some differing views. I personally believe that Jesus suffered the principle suffering of hell, i.e. his human soul was deprived of the share in the divinity to which it was united. But that is not to say that he suffers-with those people currently in hell. Their lives amount to a rejection of god's presence (i.e. their temporal lives manifest an eternal choice to live without god - which is the principle reality of hell).
As long as you are alive, god suffers with you.
(December 17, 2016 at 8:37 am)operator Wrote:(December 17, 2016 at 8:26 am)RozKek Wrote: I wonder where the fuck they came with that god is in another dimension and all that shit, was it written in the bible? Is it logical to make up loads of shit just to keep your beliefs intact?
Yea this is actually very interesting. Where do theists get this "god is outside of time" stuff? Or the idea that god is in another dimension? Or that "god exists in a place we couldn't begin to comprehend" or "god itself is beyond our comprehension?" I'm sure the basis for some of this stuff is in the bible but it honestly seems like a lot of it is just made up as they go along.
I personally find it to be both bad philosophy and bad theology.
