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Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist?
RE: Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist?
I think that I would fall along the lines of the comments of Alex K.

When I look at the arguments given against free will given (in the libertarian free will sense), and the knowledge violates free will. I ask, how can something which is completely external and if there is no other interference effect one's free will? This to me, would suggest that free will is dependent on things outside of the subject, or at least not dependent on the subject (including ones will). While this may be maximizing the modifier "free", I feel that it diminishes the object in the phrase "will". This would also mean that the past has no free will. After you made the choice, you cannot go back and change it. Was your choice still free will?

The term "free will" can have a number of different meanings and understandings. I would fall more into the compatibilist view, in that I think free will means that we are capable of conscience choice, for which we alone are responsible for. With this, I do not see where there is any conflict with the result of our choice being known beforehand.
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RE: Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist? - by deleteduser12345 - December 15, 2016 at 6:18 am
RE: Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist? - by deleteduser12345 - December 15, 2016 at 8:50 am
RE: Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist? - by deleteduser12345 - December 15, 2016 at 11:19 am
RE: Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist? - by deleteduser12345 - December 15, 2016 at 11:35 am
RE: Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist? - by deleteduser12345 - December 15, 2016 at 11:44 am
RE: Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist? - by deleteduser12345 - December 15, 2016 at 11:52 am
RE: Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist? - by deleteduser12345 - December 15, 2016 at 11:58 am
RE: Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist? - by deleteduser12345 - December 15, 2016 at 12:04 pm
RE: Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist? - by deleteduser12345 - December 15, 2016 at 12:08 pm
RE: Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist? - by deleteduser12345 - December 15, 2016 at 2:55 pm
RE: Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist? - by deleteduser12345 - December 15, 2016 at 12:06 pm
RE: Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist? - by deleteduser12345 - December 16, 2016 at 7:59 pm
RE: Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist? - by deleteduser12345 - December 17, 2016 at 7:37 am
RE: Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist? - by deleteduser12345 - December 17, 2016 at 8:26 am
RE: Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist? - by RoadRunner79 - December 17, 2016 at 6:32 pm
RE: Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist? - by deleteduser12345 - December 18, 2016 at 3:43 pm
RE: Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist? - by deleteduser12345 - December 18, 2016 at 4:16 pm
RE: Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist? - by deleteduser12345 - December 18, 2016 at 4:33 pm
RE: Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist? - by deleteduser12345 - December 23, 2016 at 5:08 pm

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