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Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist?
RE: Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist?
(December 18, 2016 at 4:33 pm)RozKek Wrote:
(December 18, 2016 at 4:23 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: Thanks, I understand the analogy, but nothing changed in regards to your will (or really within you at all). The argument seems to suggest that this freedom comes from outside of the individual.  Does this freedom override your will?

If my will is what I want, and it is known that in 10 years I will and will want to eat chocolate cake, how can I possibly not eat chocolate cake if it is already known that I will want to? If god knows that my will for the rest of my life will be to commit sins that will eventually lead to me going to hell then how can I possibly not commit sins if it means that God was lacking knowledge or was wrong?

this is the point

Ok.... you just mean non-determined will. Why do you think this is necessary that it needs defending? You seem to be arguing that there is no choice(if it is known), it I think that you still have will and it is free. To me, it appears to depend on what is the causal factor. I don't think the envelope made you do anything.

Do you argue the same against the position of many materialist that of a purely mechanistic process? There I do t think you have will at all.
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RE: Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist? - by deleteduser12345 - December 15, 2016 at 6:18 am
RE: Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist? - by deleteduser12345 - December 15, 2016 at 8:50 am
RE: Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist? - by deleteduser12345 - December 15, 2016 at 11:19 am
RE: Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist? - by deleteduser12345 - December 15, 2016 at 11:35 am
RE: Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist? - by deleteduser12345 - December 15, 2016 at 11:44 am
RE: Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist? - by deleteduser12345 - December 15, 2016 at 11:52 am
RE: Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist? - by deleteduser12345 - December 15, 2016 at 11:58 am
RE: Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist? - by deleteduser12345 - December 15, 2016 at 12:04 pm
RE: Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist? - by deleteduser12345 - December 15, 2016 at 12:08 pm
RE: Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist? - by deleteduser12345 - December 15, 2016 at 2:55 pm
RE: Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist? - by deleteduser12345 - December 15, 2016 at 12:06 pm
RE: Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist? - by deleteduser12345 - December 16, 2016 at 7:59 pm
RE: Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist? - by deleteduser12345 - December 17, 2016 at 7:37 am
RE: Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist? - by deleteduser12345 - December 17, 2016 at 8:26 am
RE: Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist? - by deleteduser12345 - December 18, 2016 at 3:43 pm
RE: Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist? - by deleteduser12345 - December 18, 2016 at 4:16 pm
RE: Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist? - by deleteduser12345 - December 18, 2016 at 4:33 pm
RE: Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist? - by RoadRunner79 - December 18, 2016 at 4:46 pm
RE: Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist? - by deleteduser12345 - December 23, 2016 at 5:08 pm

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