RE: Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist?
December 19, 2016 at 1:02 pm
(This post was last modified: December 19, 2016 at 1:04 pm by Edwardo Piet.)
(December 14, 2016 at 11:56 pm)Homeless Nutter Wrote:(December 14, 2016 at 11:42 pm)operator Wrote: I would like to have some theists explain to me how fate and free will can coexist?
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Magic.
Even magic can't make a square circle
God is fucked.
(December 15, 2016 at 12:00 am)operator Wrote:(December 14, 2016 at 11:48 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I definitely wouldn't call it "predetermined fate." We believe God exists in a dimension outside of time and so he already knows all the choices we will make with our free will. But yeah, him knowing what choices we will make before we make them, doesn't make them any less our own choices.
Anyway, hopefully someone else will come in here and also answer in their own words. I hate it when I'm the only one who answers lol.
I've heard this before about "god existing outside of time"... Not quite sure what that has to do with anything, but let's continue the conversation as if it is relevant.
How do you know god exists outside of time?
If god created me to be the person I am, how do I make any choices? God already knows what I'm going to do. Everything I'm going to do is predetermined, so it's not up to me, it's up to god. Fate is, by definition, predetermined. So if everything I'm going to do is predetermined is it still a choice? Once again this is akin to locking someone in a cell with no food or water, then putting a can of pepsi and a can of Coke in front of them and giving them the "free will" to choose to do what they like.
Outside of time makes as little sense as a time before time or a space outside of space.
It's a non-concept. You can't have outside of time or space. For something to even begin to exist it has to begin.
