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A discussion with tack
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RE: A discussion with tack
(June 13, 2011 at 12:49 am)eric209 Wrote: Im pretty sure that you must have a confused apologetic understanding of god. The bible is very clear about that fact its not mistaken.

But Jesus looked at them and said, With men this is impossible, but all things are possible with God. – Matt. 19:26
For with God nothing is ever impossible and no word from God shall be without power or impossible of fulfillment. – Luke 1:37

16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. 2 Timothy 3:16-17

The bible doesnt limit gods power to logically possible.

First point: what has 2 Timothy 3.16-17 have to do with Matt 19.26 & Luke 1.37? First off, the "scripture(s)" refers to the Old Testament (the scriptures available then to people) and second off it says that it is good for the 'education' of a man.

ok, regarding Matt 19.26 & Luke 1.37... let's see... I found in a lexicon the greek words translated and explained...

Matt 19.26, regarding "With men this is impossible, but all things are possible with God":
impossible = ἀδύνατος meaning:
  1. without strength, impotent, powerless, weakly, disabled
  2. unable to be done, impossible
That word seems to be derived from δυνατός (which is the antonym of the word and is translated in this same verse as "possible").
possible = δυνατός meaning:
  1. able, powerful, mighty, strong
    1. mighty in wealth and influence
    2. strong in soul
      1. to bear calamities and trials with fortitude and patience
      2. strong in Christian virtue
  2. to be able (to do something)
    1. mighty, excelling in something
    2. having power for something
now "all things" in greek seems to be πᾶς which means:
  1. individually
    1. each, every, any, all, the whole, everyone, all things, everything
  2. collectively
    1. some of all types
So we should have something like, all (as a whole) are in God's power.


Luke 1.37: "For with God nothing shall be impossible." (in KJV it is only this)
And we have a literal translation something like "for not impossible with God all/any matter"
where,
not = οὐ = "no, not; in direct questions expecting an affirmative answer"
impossible = as above
all = as "all things" of above
matter = ῥῆμα meaning:
  1. that which is or has been uttered by the living voice, thing spoken, word
    1. any sound produced by the voice and having definite meaning
    2. speech, discourse
      1. what one has said
    3. a series of words joined together into a sentence (a declaration of one's mind made in words)
      1. an utterance
      2. a saying of any sort as a message, a narrative
        1. concerning some occurrence
  2. subject matter of speech, thing spoken of
    1. so far forth as it is a matter of narration
    2. so far as it is a matter of command
    3. a matter of dispute, case at law
So we should have something like, no word spoken [by God] is impossible to Him.

This is what I found. If I had studied koine greek then perhaps I could have given a more in-depth explanation.
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A discussion with tack - by Zenith - June 11, 2011 at 8:03 am
RE: A discussion with tack - by Ryft - June 12, 2011 at 9:50 pm
RE: A discussion with tack - by Zenith - June 21, 2011 at 1:44 pm
RE: A discussion with tack - by Cinjin - June 12, 2011 at 10:27 pm
RE: A discussion with tack - by eric209 - June 13, 2011 at 12:49 am
RE: A discussion with tack - by Rayaan - June 13, 2011 at 2:10 am
RE: A discussion with tack - by eric209 - June 13, 2011 at 2:17 am
RE: A discussion with tack - by Zenith - June 21, 2011 at 4:34 pm
RE: A discussion with tack - by Rayaan - June 13, 2011 at 2:27 am
RE: A discussion with tack - by eric209 - June 13, 2011 at 2:46 am
RE: A discussion with tack - by Rayaan - June 13, 2011 at 2:54 am
RE: A discussion with tack - by eric209 - June 13, 2011 at 2:58 am
RE: A discussion with tack - by Ryft - June 13, 2011 at 11:18 pm
RE: A discussion with tack - by eric209 - June 14, 2011 at 1:00 am
RE: A discussion with tack - by Ryft - June 14, 2011 at 2:53 am
RE: A discussion with tack - by leo-rcc - June 23, 2011 at 8:47 am
RE: A discussion with tack - by tackattack - June 22, 2011 at 6:19 pm
RE: A discussion with tack - by Zenith - July 4, 2011 at 2:46 pm
RE: A discussion with tack - by The Grand Nudger - July 4, 2011 at 3:21 pm
RE: A discussion with tack - by Zenith - July 4, 2011 at 4:01 pm
RE: A discussion with tack - by The Grand Nudger - July 4, 2011 at 5:38 pm
RE: A discussion with tack - by Zenith - July 5, 2011 at 9:32 pm
RE: A discussion with tack - by The Grand Nudger - July 5, 2011 at 10:27 pm
RE: A discussion with tack - by Zenith - July 9, 2011 at 8:09 pm
RE: A discussion with tack - by tackattack - July 6, 2011 at 7:05 am
RE: A discussion with tack - by Zenith - July 9, 2011 at 10:02 pm
RE: A discussion with tack - by The Grand Nudger - July 6, 2011 at 8:49 am
RE: A discussion with tack - by reverendjeremiah - July 9, 2011 at 9:09 pm
RE: A discussion with tack - by The Grand Nudger - July 10, 2011 at 9:14 am
RE: A discussion with tack - by reverendjeremiah - July 10, 2011 at 12:28 pm

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