RE: Is atheism a scientific perspective?
December 23, 2016 at 7:43 pm
(This post was last modified: December 23, 2016 at 7:47 pm by AAA.)
(December 23, 2016 at 7:09 pm)Jesster Wrote:(December 23, 2016 at 7:01 pm)AAA Wrote: Despite a thorough search, highly irregular specified information only has one known cause: intelligence.
This is an unsupported claim. This is what I'm asking evidence for. Are you a presuppositionist or something?
(December 23, 2016 at 7:01 pm)AAA Wrote: You wouldn't tell me what type of evidence you would consider evidence of design, so I just started here.ANY evidence. You've given me none for the above claim.
I didn't realize that is what you wanted evidence for.
The alternatives to intelligence are random chance association of nucleotides and chemical necessity. We could actually do a calculation to show how unlikely a protein forming by random chance in a sea of amino acids is if you want.
Chemical necessity does not seem to be an adequate cause either. There is no known process leading nucleotides to arrange themselves into biologically functional sequences. The different bases attached to the sugar-phosphate backbone do not attract each other at different strengths. If they did, this would destroy the ability to convey information, because the resulting sequence would begin to become repetitive. Once again, I recommend Signature in the Cell if you want a more elaborate description of the other causes that have been put forward over the years.
(December 23, 2016 at 7:34 pm)Mermaid Wrote:(December 23, 2016 at 5:36 pm)AAA Wrote: That's just an assertion.
No. It's a reproducible fact.
Actually it isn't. Evolution relies on chance events from the remote past. There is no way to replicate what happened. Sure we see mutations happening all the time, but it is extremely speculative to say that there were specific mutations that happened in the past that led to the DNA sequence we see today.
(December 23, 2016 at 7:14 pm)Tonus Wrote:(December 23, 2016 at 3:07 pm)AAA Wrote: Well I disagree that there is not evidence. Do you agree that nature exhibits evidence of design at least?
On the surface, yes. As we dig deeper we can see how natural things developed in natural ways. We can also see inefficiencies in the way much of nature is 'designed.' It's great that we have a gas giant (Jupiter) that protects us from a rain of dangerous objects that are hurtling through space so that only some of them hit us. An intelligent designer would've figured out a way to avoid such planet-threatening bombardments from occurring in the first place.
See, that is a logical fallacy. That's like saying it's great that my laptop has an internal fan to cool it down, but a designer would have figured out a way to prevent it from getting hot in the first place.