RE: Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist?
December 30, 2016 at 11:49 am
(This post was last modified: December 30, 2016 at 11:59 am by The Grand Nudger.)
I think that dominoes "contribute" to the way they fall in their structure and composition. There's no way around what you've created in conceptualizing choice and free will in the way that you have. Either be happy with what you did (or what gawd made you do...lol), or come up with something else?
I'm sympathetic either way, I don't believe in free will to begin with.... but I understand the desire to rescue your religious beliefs from the consequences of it's absence. Justice referent to moral desert is untenable in the absence of any such responsibility. The same is true in less silly circumstances, like our courts and prisons. Thjere are ways around it, that could equally apply to your religious beliefs without dropping the ball as you did...but any improvement in concept would be by degree, not so much a complete skyhook from the mud. God would be less of a dick, but still a dick. How much dick are we comfortable with?
We say, in that actual context, that while offenders may not be responsible in the manner that we have conceptualized the to be...they still need to be segregated from the GP, to save the GP. The same is sometimes said regarding gods justice...but the "crimes" in context seem to be so paltry, in that case, as to not justify segregation or present any danger to the gp in the first place.
I'm sympathetic either way, I don't believe in free will to begin with.... but I understand the desire to rescue your religious beliefs from the consequences of it's absence. Justice referent to moral desert is untenable in the absence of any such responsibility. The same is true in less silly circumstances, like our courts and prisons. Thjere are ways around it, that could equally apply to your religious beliefs without dropping the ball as you did...but any improvement in concept would be by degree, not so much a complete skyhook from the mud. God would be less of a dick, but still a dick. How much dick are we comfortable with?
We say, in that actual context, that while offenders may not be responsible in the manner that we have conceptualized the to be...they still need to be segregated from the GP, to save the GP. The same is sometimes said regarding gods justice...but the "crimes" in context seem to be so paltry, in that case, as to not justify segregation or present any danger to the gp in the first place.
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