RE: sexual orientation issue
June 23, 2011 at 8:23 am
(This post was last modified: June 23, 2011 at 8:31 am by Rwandrall.)
(June 23, 2011 at 2:07 am)Aerzia Saerules Arktuos Wrote: Laws are never in the way, only lawmakers. Laws or no laws: the strong will voraciously prey upon the weak always.
Your statement is wrong. A system where even the strong have to bow down and respect some rules to limit their powers is a better system than the one you seem to think exists. The reason the FDA holds this power is because it is given by the State, which in turn answers to the people: if they don't do their job and enforce those rules, they don't get re-elected, which is against their goals.
It's not a perfect system, but saying the strong "voraciously prey on the weak" is simply wrong in our society.
(June 22, 2011 at 4:18 pm)Rwandrall Wrote: Nobody respects laws. Companies respect force. Laws are nigh instantly forgotten when the force behind them disappears.
A law is defined by its means of enforcement, the law and the force behind it are symbiotic. Thing is, the force behind the law has no power without the existence of the law.
(June 22, 2011 at 4:18 pm)Rwandrall Wrote: The FDA isn't there today because it is the law. The FDA is there today because Teddy said "fuck you" to certain barbaric practices of food companies in the United States, and laid the ground rules of 'do this or I will shut your shit down'.
Those "grounds rules" you talked about ? They are laws.
Quote:Not at all. Do you really think that because there are laws people do this?
The legal system is a quaint word for coercion.
If you consider that holding people accountable for their actions is coercion, then yes it is coercion. So ?
Quote:Things that are ultimately decided by the rich people that 'don't exist'. But the facade is certainly entertaining.
You obviously have no faith in the legal system, but i can tell you it works pretty well. Not perfect, of course, but saying companies make the law is simply wrong.
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Piracy
And weed, speeding, prohibition and others. Under your line of thinking making gay marriage the law would be useless since gay people already get married ! right ? riiiight ?
Law is a gigantic body, it's not as simple as black and white.
(June 22, 2011 at 4:59 pm)Napoleon Wrote: It is all a formality and that is all. They'd do it to you without the laws too.
No, they would not. Under your line of thinking everyone is the same, everyone behaves the same, no matter the laws. Problem is, reality disagrees with you. In Saudi Arabia, women cannot drive. Well under your line of thinking they would drive all the time anyways...well they don't.
Laws have another purpose: changing the norms. This is why every state legalizing gay marriage is a big deal: laws are a reflection of the moral principles of the country, and both influence each other.
(June 23, 2011 at 3:23 am)Aerzia Saerules Arktuos Wrote: Unlike many: i do not rely upon someone else to look after my things.
Perhaps you would like to take things from me. I'll go call up some of the people from high school and college. You should talk to them about how that ended up
Yeah...That's not reality. If someone puts you in a wheelchair, or burns your car, you're not going to punch them in the face until they pay your treatment. You're going to go to Court. You can believe that this is the way you can lead your life, but i can assure you, you depend on the law system just as much as everyone else, because that is the society we live in, a society under the rule of law.
Quote:Unlike "anarchistic" people that present such as a government... my anarchy is solely personal. While other people usually follow their own 'rules': I don't even have these rules to follow. Even my morality bends entirely to suit the circumstances as I see fit
I do not believe that is true
You bend to the rules of society and its morality just like everyone else, because otherwise you would compromise your own well-being. That is what laws are for.
