Strong and Weak Arguments

[Alex K]

Strongest theist argument: for me is first cause (but only in so far as you would name any non-natural cause 'god'), although, I consider a natural first cause most likely at this point in time.

To me that one is very weak because I don't see a reason why causation should apply to entire universes as a whole when it barely even applies within ours.

Weakest theist argument: Anything that assigns attributes to 'god', or implies that 'god' is anything other than the first cause.

Strongest atheist argument: I don't think there is such a thing as an atheist argument is there? Aren't these just counters to theistic arguments, rather than actual arguments for atheism (which to me would mean an argument that there is no 'god')?

I think the most compelling counter against a god that is anything other than simply first cause is the problem of free will.

Weakest is probably around first cause, because there really is no evidence, so it really comes down to what you find most compelling.

A pet peeve of mine though is when an atheist rubbishes the bible as a product of man, but then quotes passages to show that God is immoral. If the bible is a steaming pile of made up crap (which I believe it is) then you can't really use it as a basis of the truth of God's attributes.

But pointing to the bible can certainly be used to show how the premises of Christianity are inconsistent, no? That way you can attack Christianity using the bible even if you don't think it's true. Like I said above, dismantling the Christian God doesn't prove atheism though...