(January 10, 2017 at 8:17 am)Vast Vision Wrote:(January 9, 2017 at 10:25 pm)paulpablo Wrote: It's a weak argument because it assumes knowledge of God and God's methods of running the universe.
Depends on the god we talk about. Aren't theists contradicting themselves, when they talk about god's positive attributes but suddenly claim that he works in mysterious ways not accessible for the human mind if something negative happens?
When religions tell us, that god loves his servants, gets mad at disobedience, forgives mistakes or punishes, plans and test things, those are completely human attributes and not those of a supreme being which we can't even begin to understand. Clearly, such a god is merely a reflection of the people who created this god.
Those contradictions are often seen. For example, when Theists try to prove god scientifically while saying that god himself is not graspable with science. Their "logic" tells them, that a god created this universe, which cannot be grasped with that same logic. And that is why believing in god, in such a god, is irrational.
But I'm not a theist so the descriptions of god you're talking about mean nothing to me.
Theists saying good things happen therefore god is equally illogical to me as bad things happen therefore no god.
Of all the things in the bible and religious expressions, God working in mysterious ways isn't that objectionable. If there was a God I'd expect him to work in a way I can't begin to comprehend.
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