(January 11, 2017 at 9:03 am)Little Rik Wrote:(January 10, 2017 at 1:23 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: Nice job equivocating and changing the subject. The question had nothing to do with any "externality" or not of "knowledge." The question was whether or not you "know" that your approach to ultimate truth ("practice") is right and that the approach of those in religion is wrong. And as usual you have no answer other than just to assert your beliefs and try to change the subject. You may "believe" that your approach is the right approach, but you don't know it. Everybody believes that their way is the right way. But knowledge, true knowing, is amenable to demonstration. If you can't show it, then you don't know it. And there's no way for you to demonstrate that you have the right approach to ultimate truth, even above your distortions about what "religion" entails.
No, you practice "intuitional science," remember? Intuition yields belief, not knowledge. Only reason can deliver knowledge because the reasons for its conclusions can be shared. The conclusions and support for them from reason are transparent in a way that the reasons "behind" intuitional truths is not. If you can't show it, then you don't know it. And you can't show it. A bunch of stories and analogies aren't reasons. That's why you talk about the fruits of your yoga practice in terms of metaphors such as 'gold' and the underneath of an iceberg. You don't have reasons for your conclusions from meditation, you just have "belief" and some warm fuzzies from the experience. You don't "know" jack shit as a result of your meditation.
Wrong once again yog.
The reason why I talk about internal or external knowledge is very very simple and it clearly show
how right I am and how wrong you are.
During this present life we may build up an empire but when our body goes to the dogs we have only our consciousness left.
All those external physical-material things are left behind so the only progress that we are left with lie in our consciousness and the consciousness can not possibly be build physically or materially by external effort but through an internal effort.
From here is easy to understand that by acting within we can build up progress.
Religions on the other hand act externally.
As I already said the worship of idols, statues and asking God for the daily bread are externally exercises
That is why they can not possibly lead to any sort of progress.
The difference between religions and spirituality is very clear and every idiot would understand which one lead to progress and which one does not.
I challenge you to bring evidence on the contrary but of course you fail to do so.
This is what you "believe" -- nothing more. The Christian believes they are participating in a love affair with God. Neither of you "knows" what the reality is because you're just operating on faith in your beliefs and not knowledge. I don't agree with your characterization of religion and neither do they. It's just another one of your distorted viewpoints. You don't "know" that your way is the right way, you merely "believe" that it is. And all your ranting does nothing but underscore that fact. Even if religion were nothing but acting externally, you've presented nothing but your beliefs about consciousness to argue that they are wrong in having an external relationship with God. Your beliefs don't mean shit.
(January 11, 2017 at 9:03 am)Little Rik Wrote: Now let us come to the second point which is how to demonstrate that the internal system works.
Can you demonstrate that you are in love with somebody and that feeling of love is real?
Humm, not easy yog.
How can you transfer that nice feeling to me?
That belong to you and nobody else.
The same thing goes for spiritual love.
You struggle to achieve that feeling and that feeling belong to you and none else.
That make sense.
Why should you share that with somebody else and lose that power so hard achieved?
Even if you would you could not do that.
How can you extrapolate love feeling from within and give to somebody else even for a demonstration?
Being in love isn't a state of knowledge, you twat. As I said, all you have is belief and warm fuzzies. You've got jack shit for knowledge. All you've got is a bunch of belief and a mess of crazy arguments. That's all that religions have as well. In that you are the same. Your "belief" in these things doesn't amount to squat.
Wow. Forty years for a warm fuzzy feeling. God you are a loser.