RE: Jesus did not rise from the dead -- My debate opening statement.
January 13, 2017 at 9:55 pm
(This post was last modified: January 13, 2017 at 9:59 pm by Jehanne.)
(January 13, 2017 at 11:47 am)Drich Wrote:(January 12, 2017 at 10:37 pm)Jehanne Wrote: Such a mention would have to be in those portions of his works that did not survive into the modern era; however, no such quotes exist among the pre-Nicene Church fathers that allude to such "missing quotations", which means that the only references from Josephus about Jesus are the ones that are available today. In any case, it is clear that Josephus was clearly unimpressed with Jesus and his so-called "miracles", just as he was unimpressed with the so-called Roman and Jewish miracle-workers.
Pre-Nicene Church Fathers?!?!?! ARe you f-ing kidding???
Pre-Nicene Church Father= So like 2nd century church leadership didn't say anything about Josephus???
1) do we have a complete record of the 2nd church fathers had to say about Josephus???
2) More importantly what would second century church Fathers have have a need for Josephus if some of them could still remember Christ themselves???
Oh, really! Are you truly serious?!!! Are you saying that if some early Church Father (say, Irenaeus) had referenced a passage from Josephus that mentioned Jesus but was not among the known surviving works of Josephus that scholars are in possession of today, you would not cite that as evidence for the historical Jesus?
Drich, your "scholarship" (if it can be called that) is beyond poor. Just curious, do you believe that the Earth and/or Cosmos are less than 10,000 years old? If so, I have nothing further to say to you; your beliefs are equivalent to someone who believes that the South won the Civil War.
P.S. The early Church fathers referenced and quoted a number of authors and/or writings outside of the New Testament, which was not even formed until the mid-4th century, over 300 years after the death of Jesus.
