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Why did the Jews lie about Jesus?
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Why did the Jews lie about Jesus?
As we all probably know the book of "Matthew" ends that the Jews to "this very day" are spreading a lie that Jesus did not resurrect but that apostles stole the body:

Quote:When the chief priests had met with the elders and devised a plan, they gave the soldiers a large sum of money, telling them, “You are to say, ‘His disciples came during the night and stole him away while we were asleep.’ If this report gets to the governor, we will satisfy him and keep you out of trouble.” So the soldiers took the money and did as they were instructed. And this story has been widely circulated among the Jews to this very day.

I mean they seem very determined that they're even ready to pay large sums of money to keep the "lie" afloat.

Why don't Jews want people to be saved and happy?
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RE: Why did the Jews lie about Jesus?
(March 16, 2019 at 10:22 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: As we all probably know the book of "Matthew" ends that the Jews to "this very day" are spreading a lie that Jesus did not resurrect but that apostles stole the body:

Quote:When the chief priests had met with the elders and devised a plan, they gave the soldiers a large sum of money, telling them, “You are to say, ‘His disciples came during the night and stole him away while we were asleep.’ If this report gets to the governor, we will satisfy him and keep you out of trouble.” So the soldiers took the money and did as they were instructed. And this story has been widely circulated among the Jews to this very day.

I mean they seem very determined that they're even ready to pay large sums of money to keep the "lie" afloat.

Why don't Jews want people to be saved and happy?

A moot question since I don't put any stock in a book of heroic fiction.
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RE: Why did the Jews lie about Jesus?
Why would the Christians lie about the Jews?
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RE: Why did the Jews lie about Jesus?
Because they were competitors in the religious market place.   Same answer to the question in reverse.
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RE: Why did the Jews lie about Jesus?
Jesus stole all the Matzos and Gefilte fish for that famous "miracle" of his. More importantly, he did not give credit where credit was due.
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RE: Why did the Jews lie about Jesus?
They didn't need to lie. They didn't believe a word of it: their promised messiah was supposed to Make Judea Great Again, not plunge it into more internal crises.
They had a religion that was doing okay, and, what with Roman occupation, foreign governors, compliant local place-holders, imperial tithes, laws and taxes, insurgent factions destabilizing the region, getting people into trouble and staging doomed rebellions where everybody gets killed, the very last thing they needed was a Reformation.
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RE: Why did the Jews lie about Jesus?
I think it is rather interesting question here because we're talking about Jews who are supposed to be following those 10 commandments out of which one says "don't lie" so they will go against holy commandments and therefore against their own God, who is one motherfucking angry monster when Jews disobey him, just to hide that Jesus resurrected - I mean this just doesn't add up.
I mean is "Matthew" here trying to tell us that Jews turned their backs on Yahweh and don't care about him and started working for somebody else?
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: Why did the Jews lie about Jesus?
(March 16, 2019 at 3:22 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: I think it is rather interesting question here because we're talking about Jews who are supposed to be following those 10 commandments out of which one says "don't lie" so they will go against holy commandments and therefore against their own God, who is one motherfucking angry monster when Jews disobey him, just to hide that Jesus resurrected - I mean this just doesn't add up.
I mean is "Matthew" here trying to tell us that Jews turned their backs on Yahweh and don't care about him and started working for somebody else?

Eh, the motherfucking angry monster never lies either - unless it's convenient to send "lying spirits" for some reason or another.
1 Kings 22:23 & 2 Chronicles 18:22
Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee.

Ezekiel 14:9
And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the LORD have deceived that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand upon him, and will destroy him from the midst of my people Israel.

2 Thessalonians 2:11
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

It's all hogwash.

(March 16, 2019 at 10:22 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: As we all probably know the book of "Matthew" ends that the Jews to "this very day" are spreading a lie that Jesus did not resurrect but that apostles stole the body:

Quote:When the chief priests had met with the elders and devised a plan, they gave the soldiers a large sum of money, telling them, “You are to say, ‘His disciples came during the night and stole him away while we were asleep.’ If this report gets to the governor, we will satisfy him and keep you out of trouble.” So the soldiers took the money and did as they were instructed. And this story has been widely circulated among the Jews to this very day.

I mean they seem very determined that they're even ready to pay large sums of money to keep the "lie" afloat.

Why don't Jews want people to be saved and happy?

AND, it almost proves that the tale is pure fiction.  Seriously,"Matthew" - writing 70-ish years after the supposed events - did not say "and some of these soldiers confessed to ___ and showed the money, and others confirmed the tale".  If we were walking the streets in those days and some crackpot was on a soapbox saying "this guy you killed rose from the dead" we would probably say "yeah, these whackjobs hid the body" too.  Or more likely, (from our modern viewpoint) "so where is he?  Have him say hello or it didn't happen".  This "new sect" probably generated a lot of rumors, "Matthew" could just be whining about not being believed.
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RE: Why did the Jews lie about Jesus?
Oh well I guess we'll never know.
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RE: Why did the Jews lie about Jesus?
(March 16, 2019 at 3:06 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: Because they were competitors in the religious market place.   Same answer to the question in reverse.

Yes, and I was suggesting Mathew was lying about the Jews in the OPs quote.
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