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Why did Jesus suffer for sinners and not victims
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Why did Jesus suffer for sinners and not victims
Jesus supposedly suffered for our sins. Victims of sinners suffer from the same sins that Jesus already suffered for. The sinner is often unrepentant, feels no guilt and doesn't suffer. So what's the point of Jesus' suffering if the victim also suffers but not the sinner?

Why wasn't someone sent to take on the suffering of the victims? That would be nice. It seems though that the victims have to suffer for sins that Jesus already suffered for. It's like the sin is double dipping.

I remember reading about Polly Klass years ago. She was a 12 year old girl who was kidnapped from her house while she was having a slumber party. Richard Allen Davis, who had been in and out of jail several times, broke into her house at night and kidnapped, abused and murdered her. Polly and her family suffered greatly for what he did. He is still alive and unrepentant in jail.

If Jesus already suffered for what Davis did, why did poor Poly also have to suffer? Why didn't Jesus suffer for Polly? The only person who didn't suffer was Davis. He probably regrets being in jail but not what he did to Polly. If he has a chance to repent in the next life, why did Poly and her family have to pay the price when Jesus already took care of it. Makes no sense.

A hero will throw him/herself in front of a bullet for a friend. The hero suffers a bullet wound but the friend is saved. Only one person is hurt.

Jesus took a bullet for us all but we are still shot and suffer from the same bullet. Jesus suffered and we suffer. What's the point of all the suffering? So the shooter can go to heaven? What about the victims? Who suffers for them?
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RE: Why did Jesus suffer for sinners and not victims
Jesus was supposed to have suffered to expiate the guilt which everyone was supposed to have inherited from the Original Sin committed by Adam and Eve. He didn't die to expiate the guilt of sins committed later. Well, at least that's what I was taught in Catholic schools.
"The world is my country; all of humanity are my brethren; and to do good deeds is my religion." (Thomas Paine)
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RE: Why did Jesus suffer for sinners and not victims
(May 23, 2021 at 6:21 am)Five Wrote: Jesus supposedly suffered for our sins. Victims of sinners suffer from the same sins that Jesus already suffered for. The sinner is often unrepentant, feels no guilt and doesn't suffer. So what's the point of Jesus' suffering if the victim also suffers but not the sinner?

Why wasn't someone sent to take on the suffering of the victims? That would be nice. It seems though that the victims have to suffer for sins that Jesus already suffered for. It's like the sin is double dipping.

I remember reading about Polly Klass years ago. She was a 12 year old girl who was kidnapped from her house while she was having a slumber party. Richard Allen Davis, who had been in and out of jail several times, broke into her house at night and kidnapped, abused and murdered her. Polly and her family suffered greatly for what he did. He is still alive and unrepentant in jail.

If Jesus already suffered for what Davis did, why did poor Poly also have to suffer? Why didn't Jesus suffer for Polly? The only person who didn't suffer was Davis. He probably regrets being in jail but not what he did to Polly. If he has a chance to repent in the next life, why did Poly and her family have to pay the price when Jesus already took care of it. Makes no sense.

A hero will throw him/herself in front of a bullet for a friend. The hero suffers a bullet wound but the friend is saved. Only one person is hurt.

Jesus took a bullet for us all but we are still shot and suffer from the same bullet. Jesus suffered and we suffer. What's the point of all the suffering? So the shooter can go to heaven? What about the victims? Who suffers for them?

The entire motif isn't about love of humanity, but an appeal to a tribe.
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RE: Why did Jesus suffer for sinners and not victims
B cuz mageek buuk sez et doos!
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RE: Why did Jesus suffer for sinners and not victims
(May 23, 2021 at 7:44 am)no one Wrote: B cuz mageek buuk sez et doos!

This makes the most sense to me.
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RE: Why did Jesus suffer for sinners and not victims
(May 23, 2021 at 6:21 am)Five Wrote: Jesus supposedly suffered for our sins. Victims of sinners suffer from the same sins that Jesus already suffered for. The sinner is often unrepentant, feels no guilt and doesn't suffer. So what's the point of Jesus' suffering if the victim also suffers but not the sinner?

Why wasn't someone sent to take on the suffering of the victims? That would be nice. It seems though that the victims have to suffer for sins that Jesus already suffered for. It's like the sin is double dipping.

I remember reading about Polly Klass years ago. She was a 12 year old girl who was kidnapped from her house while she was having a slumber party. Richard Allen Davis, who had been in and out of jail several times, broke into her house at night and kidnapped, abused and murdered her. Polly and her family suffered greatly for what he did. He is still alive and unrepentant in jail.

If Jesus already suffered for what Davis did, why did poor Poly also have to suffer? Why didn't Jesus suffer for Polly? The only person who didn't suffer was Davis. He probably regrets being in jail but not what he did to Polly. If he has a chance to repent in the next life, why did Poly and her family have to pay the price when Jesus already took care of it. Makes no sense.

A hero will throw him/herself in front of a bullet for a friend. The hero suffers a bullet wound but the friend is saved. Only one person is hurt.

Jesus took a bullet for us all but we are still shot and suffer from the same bullet. Jesus suffered and we suffer. What's the point of all the suffering? So the shooter can go to heaven? What about the victims? Who suffers for them?

All that started with the RCC. Suffering is a good thing, so one gets adoration of martyrs and such and the abomination that was Mother Theresa. 

One might think that children might be exempt, but jebus singled them out saying "Suffer little children" and all that, so making children suffer brings them closer to jebus, right?

Wrong. The word suffer was used in it's original sense of "allow" or "permit". Knowing that, it puts an entirely different complexion on things, doesn't it.

Nevertheless, to this day, there remain plenty of religious loons who believe that suffering is good since it gets the sufferer closer to jebus.
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RE: Why did Jesus suffer for sinners and not victims
Justice in the ancient world was a matter of retribution, lex talionis. Jesus becomes an after the fact fixer because that was the concept they had for setting things right.
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RE: Why did Jesus suffer for sinners and not victims
You would think if wage of sin is eternity in hell, then for Jesus to take on your sins and save you, he ought to still be burning in hell, and not be shattering the delusion by coming back, much less for any second time.
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RE: Why did Jesus suffer for sinners and not victims
Logical thought does not apply to holy baby jebus. It never has. What kind of god has to sacrifice himself to himself to create a loophole for rules that he made in the first place anyway?
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RE: Why did Jesus suffer for sinners and not victims
(May 23, 2021 at 5:08 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: Logical thought does not apply to holy baby jebus. It never has. What kind of god has to sacrifice himself to himself to create a loophole for rules that he made in the first place anyway?

The same kind that would fuck his own mother to give himself birth.
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