Tooth Fairy Bullshit

[Huggy Bear]

I'll quote the definition of supernatural again.

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/defini...pernatural

If "the laws of nature" did not exist, then whatever state existed, existed apart from nature, making it supernatural by definition... got it?

If the laws of nature did not exist, there was nothing for the supernatural to be beyond. By definition. The one you chose.

You just disproved the supernatural as a cause of the Universe. Well done.

This is why I can't take you seriously, I'm speaking in relation DBP stating that the universe started by some unknown natural process.

The difference is that saying "the universe created itself" is not what he said. His implication is that the universe started by some as yet unknown natural process whereas theists not only believe that it was not a natural process but some magical figure that somehow poofed the universe into existence by some undetermined way and for some reason hates the gays.

How we as humans choose to to define things has no bearing on what existed before the universe...

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Seeing how time is relative it's totally doable.

You do realize that from our perspective it may take a photon years to reach it's destination, but from the point of view of a photon, it takes no time at all, it's instantaneous.

Aww, you mentioned relativity.  That's adorable.  Like watching a four-year old try to ride a bike.

Relativity is about how matter flows through time relative to its velocity.  It doesn't mean that talking about a point in time when time did not exist suddenly isn't nonsensical.

No I used the word RELATIVE dummy not RELATIVITY, which simply means 'in relation to something else', I'm not talking about the damn theory.  

Seeing how every living thing has a spirit (including you), I don't see how you figure it is, especially when there are cases that suggest consciousness can exist without a functioning brain.

Ah, yes, this magical "spirit" that no one can find, no one can describe, no one knows where it's at, no one knows what it does, no scientific study has ever found the tiniest scrap of evidence for but religious people really, really insist is there.  They point at things we don't understand about the most complex organ in the human body and say, "See!  I promise you it's hiding in those ever-shrinking gaps!"

Tell you what, Huggy.  You let someone fillet your brain with a butcher knife then come and tell me how you can float around without a brain, and I promise you I will convert on the spot.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/artic...en-we-die/

a 2008 paper published in Mind and Matter by University of California, Irvine, cognitive scientist Donald D. Hoffman: Conscious Realism and the Mind-Body Problem. Conscious realism asserts that the objective world, i.e., the world whose existence does not depend on the perceptions of a particular observer, consists entirely of conscious agents. Consciousness is fundamental to the cosmos and gives rise to particles and fields. It is not a latecomer in the evolutionary history of the universe, arising from complex interactions of unconscious matter and fields, Hoffman writes. Consciousness is first; matter and fields depend on it for their very existence.

This particular scientist posits that Consciousness existed before matter, and not only did it exist before matter, it gave rise to it...

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Here's a little better analogy than the crap you just spewed...

Let's say some guys wife is getting boned on the side. He can rule out huge numbers of people his wife might be fucking without ever figuring out who it really is. After all, King Henry the 8th isn't available for any afternoon delight. Neither is Winston Churchill or Ronald Reagan swinging by to poke her pussy. He can scratch Vladimir Putin, Donald Trump and President Obama from the list since they've never had the opportunity to dance the horizontal mambo with her. In fact, he can rule out quite literally billions of people with absolute certainty (or something so close as to make no difference) without even trying...

It is possible to know what the answer isn't even if you don't know what the answer is.

Besides, you give me four of something and I can certainly tell you I don't have ten of them (or 20, or 100, or 2048, or 243,985,243) without ever figuring 2+2=4.

That's the most convoluted drivel I've ever seen.

Let's cut that crap and put it bluntly.

Is it your position that you know with 100 percent certainty that a creator doesn't exist?