Democracy is fucked up

[The Grand Nudger]

A democray can, in practice, become an authoritarian dictatorship.

-and a pile off eggs and flour and sugar can become a cake..but then it;s no longer a pile of eggs and flour and sugar.  / shrugs

It happened before. And if that happens in the future, calling people dirtbags will probably no longer feel gratifying.

Agree to disagree?  It's always going to be fun, to me, to call a dirtbag a dirtbag.  

Thinking about Trump and USA, I have heard enough anti-Trump people who laugh "Trump supporters are such idiots!", and Trump-supporters who laugh "These anti-Trump people are such idiots!"

Sure.

For everything I heard that Trump did or did not, the anti-Trump guys laughed at Trump and his supporters how idiots they are, while the Trump supporters laughed back, because for them, the same event was obvious evidence that Trump is great and that the anti-Trump reaction is retarded.

Right, because some people think that racism is retarded, but racists think it's just swell and non-racists are retarded.......?

Calling the others stupid or dirtbags is simple and easy, but pointless.

OH, idk, you might catch a few that aren't too far gone...just caught up in something retarded.

And as for myself, I don't trust in the essential decency of humanity. After all, humanity managed to commit outrageous genocides using people who believed they were doing good.

A lopsided view of what humanity managed...but yeah, sure...genocide has occurred...and even then there were little rays of human sunshine.  

I have seen even otherwise-intelligent persons who value justice supporting corrupted politicians and supporting the idea of removing important people from the justice system - people who were responsible for throwing corrupt politicians and corrupt business people to jail. How? The answer is propaganda.

Sure.  Propaganda, however, isn't a problem for democracy uniquely.  It works (or doesn't) on us individually.  

Basically, if a powerful political party (as big & powerful as the Republican for USA) controls the media - the ones the majority of the people follow, they can convince many that the heads of the justice system are extremely corrupt and puppets of the other political party, that all those found guilty and those sentenced are actually not only innocent people, but victims fallen to illegal & disgusting political attacks (such as the Nazi party sending to prison their political opponents), and that the real corrupt and evil people are out there, free. Then you can see good people, even intelligent ones, who value justice, support a battle against it.

Human beings have predictable and exploitable flaws, agreed.

It all comes down to the enviroment you live in, which influences how likely you are to scrutinize one thing, and which you are more readily able to believe, how knowledgeable you are about how people are, perhaps some psychology and understanding how manipulation of the masses works, how the economy of a country works, etc. And a good understanding of the self.

Most of the time...it;s not so complicated as all that.  Not because it couldn't be, because it doesn't have to be.  How much of the above do you think has any play to a racist?  Even if they -knew- x y and z...they'd still be racist dirtbags.  Plenty of smart assholes in the world.  

But for the ordinary citizen, who is not aware nor knowledgeabe about everything, who cannot defend himself against all kinds of manipulation, it all comes down to trust. If a political party (e.g. Social Democrats) convinces the majority to trust them, then they will easily buy into every piece of propaganda and of 'evidence' they say.

Sure

So yes, in the mix of democray you also have media, propaganda, and human frailty. Which, if you apply to a whole country, you can also get Nazism or Communism.

Neither of which were democracies...bringing us pack round to piles of eggs, flour and sugar.