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Dumping friends over politics or religion
RE: Dumping friends over politics or religion
(February 1, 2017 at 1:10 pm)pool the great Wrote: "1) Yes, taste is influenced by social construct."

Nope. What I meant was that the same argument you use for your gender is a social construct argument can be said about the taste you get in your mouth when you put food in it.

"2) Could it be that you emphasize "the first time" because nothing bad happened, and not half of your friends have stories about being sexually harassed or assaulted by gay men?"

Nope. Many of my friends have had those experiences, that's why I was anxious in the first place. Besides, I myself have had a negative experience. Sexual assault are not exclusive to women.

"4) If a woman lives in fear (btw what level of fear are we talking about here?) of men her whole life she probably has some experiences from her past that's given her a good reason for it."

That's a weak argument and ultimately a dangerous mindset. Would you be this supportive if someone lived in fear of Muslims because their past experiences justify it?

1) Taste buds in the mouth would be a different thing. That's got no more to do with gender than, say, our ability to smell, so I don't see why you're even bringing that up, then. To be clear: Sex is anatomy, gender is a social construct. Sex is the anatomical differences in the male and female body, gender is how society judges our abilities and preferences based on our sex.

2) Many of your friends, really? Many of your friends, and you, have experienced sexual assault from gay men? Sorry, but I don't believe you, because out of the small amount of gay men there are around the globe, far from the majority are assailants. The odds of you and "many of your friends" would happen to run into these very few gay sexual assailants are small, to say the least. I think you're exaggerating in an attempt to prove a moot point. I know sexual assault isn't exclusive to women, but for us, it's normal. It isn't for men. 

4) Okay, let's get a few things straight: Very, very few women go around constantly being afraid of men. Despite all our experiences with rape and harassment, it's not like we shiver whenever we see a male person on the street. However, if we see, say, a male person walking not too far behind us on an otherwise empty road, when it's dark, then yeah, we tend to get frightened. Or when we're alone with a guy we don't know very well and he starts getting a bit pushy. That's not a dangerous mindset. That's normal, and it's also what prevents even more assaults from happening, because we can identify the signs and attempt to remove ourselves from the situations before something happens. We know all men aren't assailants, but we know enough of them are that 1/3 of women have experienced assault, and over half of us have experienced harassment - and most importantly: We don't know which ones it is until it's too late. So excuse us for taking precautions. (The irony of this is that if we do NOT take precautions, we get that thrown in our face if/when an attack actually happens. "What were you wearing?" "You shouldn't have been drunk, then." "Why were you walking alone?") Damned if we do, damned if we don't.

Also, yes, I would be supportive if someone had experienced a personal attack (not "some crazy terrorists placed a bomb in a country far away from me") with Muslims and because of that were vary of them. I wouldn't support them hating Muslims because of it, but I would understand and sympathize with the fear, absolutely. Just like I support people in Norway living in fear of the far right, after Anders Breivik blew up our government building and slaughtered 80 kids on an island. It's a natural consequence of a scary, personal and traumatic experience.
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Dumping friends over politics or religion - by J a c k - January 21, 2017 at 9:53 pm
RE: Dumping friends over politics or religion - by abaris - January 21, 2017 at 9:55 pm
RE: Dumping friends over politics or religion - by Jesster - January 21, 2017 at 10:01 pm
RE: Dumping friends over politics or religion - by phoenix31 - January 21, 2017 at 10:02 pm
RE: Dumping friends over politics or religion - by Seraphina - January 22, 2017 at 1:44 pm
RE: Dumping friends over politics or religion - by Mermaid - January 21, 2017 at 10:10 pm
RE: Dumping friends over politics or religion - by J a c k - January 21, 2017 at 10:17 pm
RE: Dumping friends over politics or religion - by Minimalist - January 21, 2017 at 10:17 pm
RE: Dumping friends over politics or religion - by Shell B - January 21, 2017 at 10:24 pm
RE: Dumping friends over politics or religion - by J a c k - January 21, 2017 at 10:59 pm
RE: Dumping friends over politics or religion - by phoenix31 - January 21, 2017 at 11:01 pm
RE: Dumping friends over politics or religion - by J a c k - January 21, 2017 at 11:04 pm
RE: Dumping friends over politics or religion - by paulpablo - January 22, 2017 at 12:03 am
RE: Dumping friends over politics or religion - by Aegon - January 22, 2017 at 11:31 am
RE: Dumping friends over politics or religion - by paulpablo - January 22, 2017 at 1:18 pm
RE: Dumping friends over politics or religion - by Shell B - January 22, 2017 at 10:30 am
RE: Dumping friends over politics or religion - by Thal - January 22, 2017 at 2:14 am
RE: Dumping friends over politics or religion - by ignoramus - January 22, 2017 at 4:51 am
RE: Dumping friends over politics or religion - by brewer - January 22, 2017 at 11:35 am
RE: Dumping friends over politics or religion - by J a c k - January 22, 2017 at 2:42 pm
RE: Dumping friends over politics or religion - by Jesster - January 22, 2017 at 3:39 pm
RE: Dumping friends over politics or religion - by Thal - January 22, 2017 at 5:24 pm
RE: Dumping friends over politics or religion - by J a c k - January 22, 2017 at 6:24 pm
RE: Dumping friends over politics or religion - by Mermaid - January 22, 2017 at 5:35 pm
RE: Dumping friends over politics or religion - by abaris - January 22, 2017 at 5:48 pm
RE: Dumping friends over politics or religion - by Thal - January 22, 2017 at 5:51 pm
RE: Dumping friends over politics or religion - by Mermaid - January 22, 2017 at 6:02 pm
RE: Dumping friends over politics or religion - by Jesster - January 22, 2017 at 6:05 pm
RE: Dumping friends over politics or religion - by Jesster - January 22, 2017 at 6:26 pm
RE: Dumping friends over politics or religion - by Thal - January 22, 2017 at 6:08 pm
RE: Dumping friends over politics or religion - by J a c k - January 22, 2017 at 6:37 pm
RE: Dumping friends over politics or religion - by J a c k - January 22, 2017 at 7:08 pm
RE: Dumping friends over politics or religion - by Jesster - January 22, 2017 at 7:09 pm
RE: Dumping friends over politics or religion - by J a c k - January 22, 2017 at 7:10 pm
RE: Dumping friends over politics or religion - by Jesster - January 22, 2017 at 7:20 pm
RE: Dumping friends over politics or religion - by Mermaid - January 23, 2017 at 8:52 pm
RE: Dumping friends over politics or religion - by ignoramus - January 22, 2017 at 7:20 pm
RE: Dumping friends over politics or religion - by J a c k - January 22, 2017 at 7:22 pm
RE: Dumping friends over politics or religion - by Jesster - January 22, 2017 at 7:32 pm
RE: Dumping friends over politics or religion - by Regina - January 23, 2017 at 12:40 am
RE: Dumping friends over politics or religion - by Cecelia - January 23, 2017 at 1:18 am
RE: Dumping friends over politics or religion - by ignoramus - January 23, 2017 at 1:33 am
RE: Dumping friends over politics or religion - by Jackalope - January 23, 2017 at 1:40 am
RE: Dumping friends over politics or religion - by c172 - January 23, 2017 at 1:52 am
RE: Dumping friends over politics or religion - by AceBoogie - January 23, 2017 at 2:02 am
RE: Dumping friends over politics or religion - by Godschild - January 23, 2017 at 6:16 am
RE: Dumping friends over politics or religion - by J a c k - January 23, 2017 at 2:04 pm
RE: Dumping friends over politics or religion - by J a c k - January 23, 2017 at 3:35 pm
RE: Dumping friends over politics or religion - by J a c k - January 23, 2017 at 4:25 pm
RE: Dumping friends over politics or religion - by Amarok - January 23, 2017 at 7:32 pm
RE: Dumping friends over politics or religion - by Jesster - January 23, 2017 at 4:45 pm
RE: Dumping friends over politics or religion - by abaris - January 23, 2017 at 4:51 pm
RE: Dumping friends over politics or religion - by ignoramus - January 23, 2017 at 7:10 pm
RE: Dumping friends over politics or religion - by Thal - January 26, 2017 at 5:56 pm
RE: Dumping friends over politics or religion - by J a c k - January 26, 2017 at 11:41 pm
RE: Dumping friends over politics or religion - by J a c k - January 27, 2017 at 12:25 am
RE: Dumping friends over politics or religion - by Thal - January 28, 2017 at 6:48 pm
RE: Dumping friends over politics or religion - by J a c k - January 28, 2017 at 11:13 pm
RE: Dumping friends over politics or religion - by Jesster - January 26, 2017 at 11:49 pm
RE: Dumping friends over politics or religion - by J a c k - January 27, 2017 at 12:43 am
RE: Dumping friends over politics or religion - by vorlon13 - January 27, 2017 at 2:33 am
RE: Dumping friends over politics or religion - by Silver - January 27, 2017 at 3:08 am
RE: Dumping friends over politics or religion - by J a c k - January 27, 2017 at 2:39 pm
RE: Dumping friends over politics or religion - by vorlon13 - January 28, 2017 at 9:55 pm
RE: Dumping friends over politics or religion - by Thal - January 29, 2017 at 12:14 pm
RE: Dumping friends over politics or religion - by Thal - February 1, 2017 at 12:33 pm
RE: Dumping friends over politics or religion - by Thal - February 1, 2017 at 6:06 pm
RE: Dumping friends over politics or religion - by Thal - February 2, 2017 at 12:54 pm
RE: Dumping friends over politics or religion - by Chad32 - February 1, 2017 at 10:27 pm

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