(February 6, 2017 at 12:12 pm)Violet Wrote:Gaslighting has ALWAYS meant to say a bold faced lie in the face of an obvious truth, to try and get people to doubt the obvious truths. This is the original meaning. Political or not is irrelevant. Trump Gaslights us all the time. And yes, saying it's fake news if someone disagrees with him is gaslighting because it's an obvious falsehood, meant to make the people who know it's fake doubt themselves....exactly as you have described. It's like you cannot see it the lie....like he's.....gaslighted you. How funny.(February 6, 2017 at 11:35 am)CanOfMountainDew Wrote: What is he supposed to do - tell everyone that the media that hates him is justified in hating him lol? The media seeks to discredit him and so he will seek to discredit them. Makes sense to me. I mean he could just go full dictator and ban all media that isn't government
Haha, that would be the fascism I hear them screamin about
Instead, Obama signed that bill leaving office that enables the government to literally propagandize us. All we can hope is that Trump goes the counter-culture of the establishment, and guts the offenses on our liberties. If he don't, then, well... what can we do to stop him from using the terrible powers his station has been granted over the last decade?
Pray the military defects with us?
Aegon Wrote:Uh yeah, sort of. Gaslighting is a term in the poli sci community to describe the way populist leaders try to totally discredit the media so that the people get their information directly from the leader.
... That.... that...........
My has gaslightin changed. A more comparable form of it in politics would be what China does. There was never a town here, what are you, crazy? He thinks there was a giant explosion that killed hundreds of people he knew have you lost it, sir!? Lock this man up, he crazy! Stick him in with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tank_Man already!
It just... gaslighting is an incredibly specific form of abuse, one where the senses of a sane and astute person are intentionally made out to be flawed and failing by another to further control what the victim does. It doesn't make any sense to use it to describe things it isn't (political).
While there may be problems with discrediting the media in certain situations: the situation where the specific media outlets Trump noted as being fake news have more or less earned it that moniker at this point is not one that I'm particularly concerned about at the moment. I'd love to see some real nonpartisan news... but about the only way I can find news I can trust these days is to watch what people say uncut and unvarnished (C-span, for instance, or from very specific real investigative journalism, such as that O'keefe lately).
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