(February 9, 2017 at 12:31 pm)sneroul the thinker Wrote: Prove to me they are just stories or hoaxes try to find contradictions in the reports. the people that were there are entirely conivinced that something supernatural happened all though i doupt any of them are still alive and certainly there had to be some smart people in a crowd of 30000-100000 people doctors, journalist, atheist ect. so tell me what do you think is more likely that 70000 people are all lying or were simultaneously deceived or that something supernatural really did happen there. if so prove it you atheist always ask for evidence here is the evidence. I do not like the credulous nore do i like dismissers or debunkers. be investigators
I think it is more likely you utterly misunderstand what happened. This is not a claim being made by "70,000 people". This is a claim being made by the Catholic Church. You are confusing "a bunch of people were there" with "all those people made this claim".
Next, claiming magic happened is not evidence that magic happened. I don't need to prove magic didn't happen because all scientific tests done EVER have failed to produce the faintest scrap of evidence for the existence of magic. Since all previous claims of magic throughout all of history have failed to produce any evidence that magic is real it can be safely assumed that all claims of magic are equally uncompelling. That is how reality works. If I tell you that I have a fairy in a jar you needn't bother asking me to go get the jar to call me a dumbass and a liar. You can safely assume that I am a dumbass and a liar because you can be more than reasonably certain fairies are not real. The same is true for magic.
Do you have a clue how many people have made ludicrous claims to me in my life? Do you have a clue how many degrees I would have by now if I became an expert in every field in which a claim was made? Do you have a clue how much time and money I would waste "being an investigator"? I spent a few years looking into ridiculous claims. I have done my "investigating". I have even looked into this bullshit. They had cameras back then. Did you know pictures were taken then? Did you know that EVERY SINGLE ONE was of the crowd, which was usually staring intently at the sky? There's some crazy magic shit going on in the sky (which not everyone claimed to have seen, by the way) and the photographer always, without fail, takes a picture of the people looking at the crazy magic shit? Because if I saw a UFO hovering above my house my very first thought would be, "I have to get a picture of the kids faces while they look at this thing! Let me just make sure the alien craft isn't in the frame, ruining the shot..."
I don't prove things are not. You prove things are. Prove I'm not a god. Prove I'm not a clone. Prove I'm not an alien. Prove I'm not an alien god clone. Those are all stupid requests. You have no reason to believe any of those claims, so why should you prove any of them false. What's more, how could you? How could you prove I'm not a god? Check my DNA? I made it look human with my magic. Shoot me? Jesus bled and died and he was a god. YOU CAN NOT prove what is not. So why do you ask it? Because you also can't prove your ridiculous claim.
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