Sun miracle

[snerie]

There is no way to do that . but it was said to happen months before it did one that specific date and it happened as told. it was also told that ww1 would end on the same date but it did not. the people did not stare at the sun for hours the girl exclaimed LOOK AT SUN and they looked and saw a silver disk emerge from the clouds around the sun.

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I trust Joe nickell I met him once at Skepticon once he is an atheist and a skeptic.

[The Grand Nudger]

 I know memory can be faulty but lets say a 100 people saw someone commit a at the same time murder. now depending on where you live that may or may not be enough but lets say a 100000 people saw it then the murderer would almost certainly be sent for life.

Which would be a shame, if no murder was committed, don't you think?  Thankfully, we're not sending anyone to jail for life because a hundred thousand people saw the sun move in the sky when it didn't.

[Whateverist]

Why the fascination with weird, hard to pin down stuff?

[pocaracas]

Oh FFS, again?!

Here, read: http://www.deuslovult.org/2009/05/19/mil...-o-seculo/

Then tell me about what happened there.
But please don't tell me about what people dreamed after the fact.

[Ravenshire]

This shit, again?!?

For fuck's sake, get some new material.

[Asmodee]

Prove to me they are just stories or hoaxes try to find contradictions in the reports. the people that were there are entirely conivinced that something supernatural happened   all though i doupt any of them are still alive and certainly there had to be some smart people in a crowd of 30000-100000 people doctors, journalist, atheist ect. so tell me what do you think is more likely that 70000 people are all lying or were  simultaneously  deceived   or that something supernatural really did happen there. if so prove it you atheist always ask for evidence here is the evidence. I do not like the credulous nore do i like dismissers or debunkers. be investigators

I think it is more likely you utterly misunderstand what happened.  This is not a claim being made by "70,000 people".  This is a claim being made by the Catholic Church.  You are confusing "a bunch of people were there" with "all those people made this claim".

Next, claiming magic happened is not evidence that magic happened.  I don't need to prove magic didn't happen because all scientific tests done EVER have failed to produce the faintest scrap of evidence for the existence of magic.  Since all previous claims of magic throughout all of history have failed to produce any evidence that magic is real it can be safely assumed that all claims of magic are equally uncompelling.  That is how reality works.  If I tell you that I have a fairy in a jar you needn't bother asking me to go get the jar to call me a dumbass and a liar.  You can safely assume that I am a dumbass and a liar because you can be more than reasonably certain fairies are not real.  The same is true for magic.

Do you have a clue how many people have made ludicrous claims to me in my life?  Do you have a clue how many degrees I would have by now if I became an expert in every field in which a claim was made?  Do you have a clue how much time and money I would waste "being an investigator"?  I spent a few years looking into ridiculous claims.  I have done my "investigating".  I have even looked into this bullshit.  They had cameras back then.  Did you know pictures were taken then?  Did you know that EVERY SINGLE ONE was of the crowd, which was usually staring intently at the sky?  There's some crazy magic shit going on in the sky (which not everyone claimed to have seen, by the way) and the photographer always, without fail, takes a picture of the people looking at the crazy magic shit?  Because if I saw a UFO hovering above my house my very first thought would be, "I have to get a picture of the kids faces while they look at this thing!  Let me just make sure the alien craft isn't in the frame, ruining the shot..."

I don't prove things are not.  You prove things are.  Prove I'm not a god.  Prove I'm not a clone.  Prove I'm not an alien.  Prove I'm not an alien god clone.  Those are all stupid requests.  You have no reason to believe any of those claims, so why should you prove any of them false.  What's more, how could you?  How could you prove I'm not a god?  Check my DNA?  I made it look human with my magic.  Shoot me?  Jesus bled and died and he was a god.  YOU CAN NOT prove what is not.  So why do you ask it?  Because you also can't prove your ridiculous claim.

[Cyberman]

the pope stated himself he saw it.

And the fact that it's part of the pope's job to keep people believing isn't a problem for you?

[Cyberman]

Well, I can turn water into piss.

Checkmate, atheists.

I can turn water into wine. Also into beer.

[Cyberman]

A fair point I suppose but tell me which is more likely. A 70000 were all wrong B the journalist are lying or C something  supernatural really did take place there Or D the flying spaghetti monster was testing our faith

Well, the common factor (apart from the silly snark at the end) is the journalist. I suggest starting there.

[The Grand Nudger]

If a b and c are the only options..and the question is which is more likely...then A and and B take the cake, no matter how unlikely they may be, themselves...which is, to me, the most amusing part of this whole thing. 70k people lying or being deceived is, for a great many not-exactly-profound reasons....orders of magnitude more likely than the supernatural. That -should- inform people who ask such questions as to the substance of supernatural claims, but it never does.