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National Service
RE: National Service
(February 11, 2017 at 1:37 am)Khemikal Wrote:
(February 11, 2017 at 1:30 am)Sterben Wrote:       I'm aware, but national service harbors to closely to the systems mentioned above. The culture we have has allowed to many freedoms for the U.S to be a good country for such a system to used. It could abused in many ways by the corporate elites for free or cheap labor.

So long as the interest of the corporate elites were aligned with the interests of the nation...not a problem.  Minor correction, though..cheap..absolutely (the idea is that the reduced labor rateis offset by desirable arrangements and benefits...and, ofc, by civic pride and duty)........ free, absolutely not.  Were not talking about slavery, we're talking about a national service.

Government -itself- can be abused in many ways, that's not actually an objection to having one.

The idea of a national service is to -further- support all those things that you think makes america great.   To give us the practical ability to continue to fulfill and expand our promise and freedoms.  Our culture already includes and is based upon notions of civic duty, we tell people that that's what makes our country great.  A national service is a formal recognition and application -of- our culture.
        What if one does not wish to serve in National Service? Say for instance you want to focus on your own career. Four years out of your life to help other in the service of the betterment of your country is a big chunk out of possible experience's you would need to advance your own needs. You would better off making it an option for people from lower income families. Offering  an insensitive to rise out of a lower income and acquiring a skill set which can help them benefit their country beyond the scope of being a being a tax payer and being a burden of the system.

        If you can rise out the system to have a future other then being on E.B.T and government assisted housing, that should the be the ultimate goal of a National Service.

(February 11, 2017 at 8:47 am)downbeatplumb Wrote:
(February 9, 2017 at 10:35 am)Khemikal Wrote: You know how you could quickly get all the people you'd need to build your little fence?  Get those refugees into the civil service.

Service confers citizenship.

This is from starship troopers.



       If your going to use this a standard of "Federal" or "National" service, most people would remain civilians other then risking their very lives in order to gain the right to vote or other privileges.  If I was asked, I would decline and stay out of the political system. It always causes too many issues among the populations. There will always be brave and men who stand up will called for such duties. While the majority stay silent in order to protect themselves, first and foremost it's only rational to protect yourself. If you were in gas station, and gunshots were going off, would you do most anything to get out of their first? If you had to push an old lady into the shooter in order to save your life, would you feel guilty cause she died and you made to your car and drove off as fast as you could?
     “A man isn't tiny or giant enough to defeat anything” Yukio Mishima


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National Service - by account_inactive - February 9, 2017 at 10:08 am
RE: National Service - by Jackalope - February 9, 2017 at 10:12 am
RE: National Service - by account_inactive - February 9, 2017 at 10:21 am
RE: National Service - by Jackalope - February 9, 2017 at 10:25 am
RE: National Service - by The Grand Nudger - February 9, 2017 at 10:12 am
RE: National Service - by Edwardo Piet - February 9, 2017 at 11:43 am
RE: National Service - by FatAndFaithless - February 9, 2017 at 10:13 am
RE: National Service - by account_inactive - February 9, 2017 at 10:20 am
RE: National Service - by downbeatplumb - February 9, 2017 at 2:07 pm
RE: National Service - by ukatheist - February 9, 2017 at 10:13 am
RE: National Service - by Mister Agenda - February 9, 2017 at 10:14 am
RE: National Service - by Jesster - February 9, 2017 at 10:15 am
RE: National Service - by account_inactive - February 9, 2017 at 10:24 am
RE: National Service - by Jesster - February 9, 2017 at 10:25 am
RE: National Service - by The Grand Nudger - February 9, 2017 at 10:16 am
RE: National Service - by account_inactive - February 9, 2017 at 10:29 am
RE: National Service - by Rhondazvous - February 9, 2017 at 2:07 pm
RE: National Service - by FatAndFaithless - February 9, 2017 at 10:19 am
RE: National Service - by The Grand Nudger - February 9, 2017 at 10:21 am
RE: National Service - by ukatheist - February 9, 2017 at 10:22 am
RE: National Service - by The Grand Nudger - February 9, 2017 at 10:25 am
RE: National Service - by FatAndFaithless - February 9, 2017 at 10:26 am
RE: National Service - by ukatheist - February 9, 2017 at 10:26 am
RE: National Service - by Jesster - February 9, 2017 at 10:31 am
RE: National Service - by account_inactive - February 9, 2017 at 10:32 am
RE: National Service - by The Grand Nudger - February 9, 2017 at 10:31 am
RE: National Service - by Jesster - February 9, 2017 at 10:36 am
RE: National Service - by The Grand Nudger - February 9, 2017 at 10:35 am
RE: National Service - by account_inactive - February 9, 2017 at 10:36 am
RE: National Service - by downbeatplumb - February 11, 2017 at 8:47 am
RE: National Service - by The Grand Nudger - February 9, 2017 at 10:36 am
RE: National Service - by ukatheist - February 9, 2017 at 10:37 am
RE: National Service - by The Grand Nudger - February 9, 2017 at 10:37 am
RE: National Service - by account_inactive - February 9, 2017 at 10:46 am
RE: National Service - by The Grand Nudger - February 9, 2017 at 10:49 am
RE: National Service - by account_inactive - February 9, 2017 at 10:52 am
RE: National Service - by FatAndFaithless - February 9, 2017 at 10:53 am
RE: National Service - by The Grand Nudger - February 9, 2017 at 10:53 am
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RE: National Service - by Faith No More - February 9, 2017 at 11:02 am
RE: National Service - by ukatheist - February 9, 2017 at 11:03 am
RE: National Service - by Alex K - February 9, 2017 at 11:07 am
RE: National Service - by The Grand Nudger - February 9, 2017 at 11:09 am
RE: National Service - by account_inactive - February 9, 2017 at 11:09 am
RE: National Service - by Alex K - February 9, 2017 at 11:27 am
RE: National Service - by Jesster - February 9, 2017 at 11:16 am
RE: National Service - by ukatheist - February 9, 2017 at 11:17 am
RE: National Service - by The Grand Nudger - February 9, 2017 at 11:23 am
RE: National Service - by account_inactive - February 9, 2017 at 11:25 am
RE: National Service - by The Grand Nudger - February 9, 2017 at 11:30 am
RE: National Service - by Alex K - February 9, 2017 at 11:32 am
RE: National Service - by The Grand Nudger - February 9, 2017 at 12:01 pm
RE: National Service - by Edwardo Piet - February 9, 2017 at 12:03 pm
RE: National Service - by FatAndFaithless - February 9, 2017 at 12:07 pm
RE: National Service - by The Grand Nudger - February 9, 2017 at 12:09 pm
RE: National Service - by FatAndFaithless - February 9, 2017 at 12:10 pm
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RE: National Service - by FatAndFaithless - February 9, 2017 at 12:13 pm
RE: National Service - by The Grand Nudger - February 9, 2017 at 12:26 pm
RE: National Service - by FatAndFaithless - February 9, 2017 at 12:29 pm
RE: National Service - by The Grand Nudger - February 9, 2017 at 12:31 pm
RE: National Service - by FatAndFaithless - February 9, 2017 at 12:33 pm
RE: National Service - by Thumpalumpacus - February 9, 2017 at 12:31 pm
RE: National Service - by The Grand Nudger - February 9, 2017 at 12:34 pm
RE: National Service - by FatAndFaithless - February 9, 2017 at 12:35 pm
RE: National Service - by The Grand Nudger - February 9, 2017 at 12:36 pm
RE: National Service - by FatAndFaithless - February 9, 2017 at 12:37 pm
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RE: National Service - by FatAndFaithless - February 9, 2017 at 12:46 pm
RE: National Service - by The Grand Nudger - February 9, 2017 at 12:49 pm
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RE: National Service - by The Grand Nudger - February 9, 2017 at 1:03 pm
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RE: National Service - by Thumpalumpacus - February 9, 2017 at 8:57 pm
RE: National Service - by FatAndFaithless - February 9, 2017 at 1:46 pm
RE: National Service - by The Grand Nudger - February 9, 2017 at 1:53 pm
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RE: National Service - by frankiej - February 9, 2017 at 2:13 pm
RE: National Service - by The Grand Nudger - February 9, 2017 at 2:18 pm
RE: National Service - by Assimilate - February 9, 2017 at 2:41 pm
RE: National Service - by The Valkyrie - February 9, 2017 at 2:44 pm
RE: National Service - by The Grand Nudger - February 9, 2017 at 2:45 pm
RE: National Service - by The Valkyrie - February 9, 2017 at 2:57 pm
RE: National Service - by Edwardo Piet - February 9, 2017 at 3:25 pm
RE: National Service - by The Valkyrie - February 9, 2017 at 3:26 pm
RE: National Service - by ukatheist - February 9, 2017 at 3:27 pm
RE: National Service - by Edwardo Piet - February 9, 2017 at 3:39 pm
RE: National Service - by The Grand Nudger - February 9, 2017 at 3:59 pm
RE: National Service - by Edwardo Piet - February 9, 2017 at 3:59 pm
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RE: National Service - by Athene - February 9, 2017 at 7:15 pm
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RE: National Service - by The Grand Nudger - February 9, 2017 at 9:29 pm
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RE: National Service - by The Grand Nudger - February 9, 2017 at 10:34 pm
RE: National Service - by chimp3 - February 9, 2017 at 10:39 pm
RE: National Service - by The Valkyrie - February 9, 2017 at 10:48 pm
RE: National Service - by The Grand Nudger - February 9, 2017 at 11:24 pm
RE: National Service - by chimp3 - February 9, 2017 at 11:31 pm
RE: National Service - by The Grand Nudger - February 9, 2017 at 11:33 pm
RE: National Service - by chimp3 - February 9, 2017 at 11:37 pm
RE: National Service - by The Grand Nudger - February 9, 2017 at 11:39 pm
RE: National Service - by Sterben - February 10, 2017 at 12:20 am
RE: National Service - by The Grand Nudger - February 10, 2017 at 12:23 am
RE: National Service - by Sterben - February 11, 2017 at 1:30 am
RE: National Service - by Cato - February 10, 2017 at 3:32 am
RE: National Service - by Alex K - February 10, 2017 at 5:53 am
RE: National Service - by The Grand Nudger - February 10, 2017 at 8:47 am
RE: National Service - by account_inactive - February 11, 2017 at 12:23 am
RE: National Service - by The Grand Nudger - February 11, 2017 at 12:26 am
RE: National Service - by The Grand Nudger - February 11, 2017 at 1:37 am
RE: National Service - by Sterben - February 12, 2017 at 12:16 am
RE: National Service - by Thumpalumpacus - February 12, 2017 at 12:56 pm
RE: National Service - by The Grand Nudger - February 11, 2017 at 12:27 pm
RE: National Service - by Cato - February 11, 2017 at 7:04 pm
RE: National Service - by account_inactive - February 12, 2017 at 3:36 am
RE: National Service - by Cato - February 12, 2017 at 10:36 am
RE: National Service - by account_inactive - February 12, 2017 at 10:38 am
RE: National Service - by The Grand Nudger - February 11, 2017 at 7:46 pm
RE: National Service - by The Grand Nudger - February 12, 2017 at 11:46 am
RE: National Service - by Sterben - February 13, 2017 at 12:25 am
RE: National Service - by Alex K - February 13, 2017 at 1:05 am
RE: National Service - by JackRussell - February 13, 2017 at 2:07 pm
RE: National Service - by Opoponax - February 13, 2017 at 2:18 pm

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