(March 5, 2017 at 12:07 am)Jesster Wrote:(March 4, 2017 at 11:59 pm)bennyboy Wrote: Subject means "viewer" and object means "that which is viewed." Obviously, in our universe, all viewers are also able to be viewed, unless you are saying that there's an ineffable soul or something like that.
It is only in one particular subject-object relationship that you can claim unique identity in the way that you are. You can say, "I'm not aware of my own brain function, so my ideas are purely subjective. . . to me." But your ideas are purely objective to anybody else.
See? It's a matter of perspective, not of the "real truth."
You started out well with the definitions of subject and object. However, there is one objective reality, period. It can be perceived in different ways, but those perceptions don't change the reality. You are still trying to conflate reality and the perception of reality one may have.
*sigh* This has drifted so far off the topic of the thread, and I know I am partly to blame. This should be a discussion about morality. I really hate being in the philosophy section with you, benny.
"There is one objective reality, period." What does that mean, and why are you so sure that the number is not zero, two, or infinity?
As for conflating reality and the perception of reality-- that perception is ALSO part of objective reality, unless you posit more than one reality-- one for experience and one for objective reality. Are you saying that mind and matter exist in separate realities?
Not sure why you're *sigh*-ing about me doing philosophy in the philosophy section. You can hate it if you like, that's up to you.
