RE: Is it true that there is no absolute morality?
March 5, 2017 at 6:10 am
(This post was last modified: March 5, 2017 at 6:18 am by bennyboy.)
(March 5, 2017 at 12:56 am)Jesster Wrote: Yeah, I'm done with your insistence on over-complicating every little thing with pseudoscience and woo. Have fun with this one. I think you're way off the mark, especially with your twisting of very basic definitions, but I am remembering very clearly now why I shouldn't bother arguing with you. I don't have the patience for this. If you can't pick between "A" and "not A" by now, I'm out.
QM isn't pseudoscience. Nor is establishing that people are objective mechanisms as well as subjective agents woo. But maybe we can play a game-- how many times will you keep saying how much you hate talking with me and that you're out before you actually stop posting?
(March 5, 2017 at 4:40 am)TheAtheologian Wrote: You are looking at the difference between subjectivity and objectively from a false standpoint, it is about dependency of propositions, what we think of as truths.It is objectively true that some people have blue eyes, and this would no longer be true if humans were extinct. We would have to speak of blue eyes in the past tense: "Some people HAD blue eyes." Similarly, we can say objectively that at moment X in human evolution, the prevalent moral ideas were Y and Z, as observed in written and video records, in laws, and so on.
If morality is subjective, it is dependent upon personal conception, if morality is objective, it is independent of personal conception and would still be true even if humans and their conceptions went extinct.
Morality is an interaction among DNA, its physical expression in the human brain, and the environment, as all ideas are. That the machine experiences some of the formation of ideas does not separate it from the unity of the single objective reality that Jesster posits. If you had access to enough of the world, you could say, "This was the brain structure of person X at moment Y, this was the totality of the physical process of the brain, and this was the resultant idea." Unless you are asserting that there is something about human experience which goes beyond the function of the brain, then it should be pretty obvious that all "subjective" ideas are objective, and that we make a distinction due only to our interest in the experience of qualia.