(March 7, 2017 at 12:11 am)bennyboy Wrote:(March 6, 2017 at 2:17 pm)Nonpareil Wrote: Value claims. Whether or not they are true depends on whether or not you share the same opinions on what is valuable.
The problem is that you are conflating an idea with physical reality.
No.
(March 7, 2017 at 12:11 am)bennyboy Wrote: The physical reality is that humans are hard-wired to respond to certain stimuli in certain ways, and that if you consider populations as a whole, you get a statistical truth that is no less objective than observations about the desk in front of you.
Which is still subjective. It is simply subject to societal opinions rather than individual ones.
(March 7, 2017 at 12:11 am)bennyboy Wrote: A "value claim" at its utterance surely seems like a private and individual thing. But that's an illusion. It is in fact the deterministic outcome of processes that began exclusively before and beyond the individual brain. You can no more isolate that particular physical state and process than you can claim that a wave is unique to the ocean on which it supervenes.
"Subjective" isn't a word for "of the self, apart from the Universe," unless you are positing a soul. "Subjective" means only that someone has some experience of a particular physical state.
No, benny. That is still not what "subjective" means. "Subjective" means "not true from every point of view".
"Owl," said Rabbit shortly, "you and I have brains. The others have fluff. If there is any thinking to be done in this Forest - and when I say thinking I mean thinking - you and I must do it."
- A. A. Milne, The House at Pooh Corner
- A. A. Milne, The House at Pooh Corner
