(March 7, 2017 at 1:25 pm)Nonpareil Wrote: No, benny. That would require me making some kind of argument whose conclusion is contained in its premises. I am not doing that. I am pointing out that you do not understand what the word "subjective" means.Show me anywhere that subjectivity is defined in terms of variable truth. You will not.
Then, consider that this question is in the philosophy section, and discover that "subjective" has specific meanings in that context. If you actually want to engage in a discussion about whether truth can be (or maybe MUST be) subjective, then we can talk about that. But I think you just want to keep trying to explain what everyone already knows-- that "subjective" normally refers to those ideas or views which may vary among individuals, rather than those facts which are invariable despite individual views or beliefs.
Quote:No, benny. The question of agency does not enter into it. The word "subjective" does not have anything to do with the concept of agency. It simply requires that a given position be based on opinion rather than fact - that is, that it is not true from every standpoint.What's an opinion, and how would you differentiate it from fact? How do you determine whether either of those is "true"?
I'd say an opinion is one's position on an issue which does not HAVE an objective truth value-- for example, it is my opinion that chocolate ice cream is the best, or that Abba is shit music. In order to hold this opinion, I must have the capacity to experience those things, and to compare my affect against states they produce in me. That's subjective agency. I cannot say, "In my opinion, the sky is purple," because the color of the sky has an objective truth value.
HOWEVER, unless you are asserting a mind/matter duality, 100% of my subjective experiences, and the conclusions I draw from them, are ALL objective to everything else, including other subjective agents in the universe. The subjective and objective perspectives aren't aspects of reality, but of your chosen perspective-- you must establish a context in order to use the words.
As a non-truth-related opinion, "Chocolate is the best" is my opinion, and it may be said to be true subjectively. OBJECTIVELY, given say brain scans when I eat chocolate or talk about it, you must refine your context: "It is objectively true that chocolate most stimulates those parts of the brain responsible for pleasure in bennyboy."
