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Poll: Is Morality Objective or Subjective?
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Is morality objective or subjective?
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RE: Is morality objective or subjective?
(March 19, 2017 at 3:44 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:
(March 19, 2017 at 10:45 am)Alasdair Ham Wrote: I don't see how a supreme creator would make anything more objective.

Because then morality would be something real that was actually created and actually exists in the universe, outside of ourselves and our own opinions. Meaning it's not just a human construct. 

In Catholicism, we call objective morality "Natural Law." With God being the Law Maker.

There is nothing objective about the church's version of "Natural Law."  It is a set of value judgements about the human condition and God.  The first clue that these are unnatural laws should be that they are founded upon the existence of a supernatural being.  If God 'made' the law then he can unmake it.  That makes it nothing more than his prerogative and therefore it is subjective.  If you appeal to his nature as "the good" then you've abandoned the natural part of natural law.  It then becomes God's law, not natural law.  Any analysis of natural law will show that it is an invention of minds, not a discovery of a law "written in our hearts."

For example, Aqunias' view on homosexuality.

Quote:The most influential formulation of natural law theory was made by Thomas Aquinas in the thirteenth century. Integrating an Aristotelian approach with Christian theology, Aquinas emphasized the centrality of certain human goods, including marriage and procreation. While Aquinas did not write much about same-sex sexual relations, he did write at length about various sex acts as sins. For Aquinas, sexuality that was within the bounds of marriage and which helped to further what he saw as the distinctive goods of marriage, mainly love, companionship, and legitimate offspring, was permissible, and even good. Aquinas did not argue that procreation was a necessary part of moral or just sex; married couples could enjoy sex without the motive of having children, and sex in marriages where one or both partners is sterile (perhaps because the woman is postmenopausal) is also potentially just (given a motive of expressing love). So far Aquinas' view actually need not rule out homosexual sex. For example, a Thomist could embrace same-sex marriage, and then apply the same reasoning, simply seeing the couple as a reproductively sterile, yet still fully loving and companionate union.

Aquinas, in a significant move, adds a requirement that for any given sex act to be moral it must be of a generative kind. The only way that this can be achieved is via vaginal intercourse. That is, since only the emission of semen in a vagina can result in natural reproduction, only sex acts of that type are generative, even if a given sex act does not lead to reproduction, and even if it is impossible due to infertility. The consequence of this addition is to rule out the possibility, of course, that homosexual sex could ever be moral (even if done within a loving marriage), in addition to forbidding any non-vaginal sex for opposite-sex married couples. What is the justification for this important addition? This question is made all the more pressing in that Aquinas does allow that how broad moral rules apply to individuals may vary considerably, since the nature of persons also varies to some extent. That is, since Aquinas allows that individual natures vary, one could simply argue that one is, by nature, emotionally and physically attracted to persons of one's own gender, and hence to pursue same-sex relationships is ‘natural’ (Sullivan, 1995). Unfortunately, Aquinas does not spell out a justification for this generative requirement.

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/homos...ty/#NatLaw

Note that many sex acts in nature are not generative, so Aquinas is arguing whole cloth that in humans it is 'natural' for the sex act to be generative. Not only that, but he argues based on the 'kind' of sex act that it is, not solely whether it is generative or not, as many heterosexual unions are not strictly generative. Indeed, the church sanctions the rhythm method which is a technique for ensuring non-generative sex. In short, the generative component is just a man-made rationale for excluding homosexual sex acts, nothing more.
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Is morality objective or subjective? - by SuperSentient - March 18, 2017 at 11:19 pm
RE: Is morality objective or subjective? - by Whateverist - March 18, 2017 at 11:21 pm
RE: Is morality objective or subjective? - by ignoramus - March 19, 2017 at 1:55 am
RE: Is morality objective or subjective? - by Aoi Magi - March 19, 2017 at 4:22 am
RE: Is morality objective or subjective? - by brewer - March 19, 2017 at 9:02 am
RE: Is morality objective or subjective? - by Chad32 - March 19, 2017 at 9:30 am
RE: Is morality objective or subjective? - by Edwardo Piet - March 19, 2017 at 10:45 am
RE: Is morality objective or subjective? - by MysticKnight - March 19, 2017 at 11:35 am
RE: Is morality objective or subjective? - by henryp - March 31, 2017 at 9:27 am
RE: Is morality objective or subjective? - by Angrboda - March 20, 2017 at 9:17 am
RE: Is morality objective or subjective? - by Jesster - March 19, 2017 at 11:33 am
RE: Is morality objective or subjective? - by Chad32 - March 19, 2017 at 3:48 pm
RE: Is morality objective or subjective? - by Nanny - March 31, 2017 at 8:56 pm
RE: Is morality objective or subjective? - by MysticKnight - March 19, 2017 at 10:40 am
RE: Is morality objective or subjective? - by LastPoet - March 19, 2017 at 2:17 pm
RE: Is morality objective or subjective? - by Nanny - April 26, 2017 at 10:20 am
RE: Is morality objective or subjective? - by henryp - April 26, 2017 at 12:16 pm
RE: Is morality objective or subjective? - by Whateverist - April 26, 2017 at 12:21 pm
RE: Is morality objective or subjective? - by Nanny - April 26, 2017 at 2:41 pm
RE: Is morality objective or subjective? - by Whateverist - April 26, 2017 at 12:15 pm
RE: Is morality objective or subjective? - by brewer - April 26, 2017 at 12:16 pm
RE: Is morality objective or subjective? - by Rev. Rye - April 26, 2017 at 1:25 pm
RE: Is morality objective or subjective? - by bennyboy - April 26, 2017 at 3:47 pm
RE: Is morality objective or subjective? - by Nanny - April 26, 2017 at 6:26 pm
RE: Is morality objective or subjective? - by bennyboy - April 26, 2017 at 7:25 pm
RE: Is morality objective or subjective? - by Simon Moon - April 26, 2017 at 9:00 pm
RE: Is morality objective or subjective? - by Whateverist - April 26, 2017 at 11:30 pm
RE: Is morality objective or subjective? - by bennyboy - April 27, 2017 at 12:00 am
RE: Is morality objective or subjective? - by Whateverist - April 27, 2017 at 11:56 am
RE: Is morality objective or subjective? - by bennyboy - April 27, 2017 at 2:52 pm
RE: Is morality objective or subjective? - by bennyboy - May 15, 2017 at 10:30 pm
RE: Is morality objective or subjective? - by bennyboy - May 18, 2017 at 6:04 pm
RE: Is morality objective or subjective? - by Amarok - May 18, 2017 at 2:32 pm

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