RE: Debunking Christianity? It's actually quite as simple as asking "why?"
July 9, 2011 at 10:18 pm
(This post was last modified: July 9, 2011 at 11:01 pm by Anymouse.)
(June 24, 2011 at 4:57 pm)Godschild Wrote: God did not give man the ability to be violent, that is the direct result of the original sin. I do not question the existance of God as I stated in the above, I do question how the Bible might be translated or the way some scriptures are taught but not the existance of God and I do not question wither the Bible is God's word. I have at times questioned my salvation, I have always come to terms with that. To question is only human. Questioning can be a form of doubt or it can be an avenue to find the truth without doubting.
I guess everytime I see a variation in this thread of "God didn't create evil, Man did," I will have to keep responding with God's own word in the Bible that you're not reading, until you can answer it or concede. Also your non-sequiteur: You don't question the Bible is God's word but you question both how it is translated and how it is taught.
Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. (KJV) - (So if the LORD creates evil, what are Satan's and Hell's purpose?)
(I have highlighted the relevant segment in colour too, I figured out how. A color command duh.)
If God did not have the capacity to create evil himself, he could not have created that capacity in us. And everything I read in Genesis (both mutually-exclusive creation stories) indicates Satan had nothing to do with creating anything in mankind. Perhaps, unlike Microsoft, which ofttimes views itself as a deity, God failed to issue Human Service Pack 1.
It was a snake that tempted Eve in the garden. Nowhere in Genesis does it say that snake is Satan. Eve could not have been tempted if God had not created the capacity of temptation and wrongdoing within both her and Adam. Your interpretation about evil is not supported by your own book. If you are going to base your religious faith on a book, you should want to know what's in the whole book, I would think.
I've read it, many times. And I fully understand the ancient modern English of the KJV, and the shifting of definitions of words and phrases. Do you?
Even if you are given the pass that the Bible counts as evidence, then it's the whole Bible, or none of it. And either it's the Word of God, or it's not. If it's the Word of God, you either believe it, or you do not. (Sorry, agnostics, knowing is not a requirement of believing. An agnostic can be either a theist, or a nontheist, but cannot sit on the fence between those two positions: there isn't a position of "I believe a little bit," or "I mostly don't believe" or "The Bible is correct about theology in some places but not in others."
And you still haven't answered my question on why you are an atheist on all religions, including mine, except your own. Why do you believe your version of Christianity over all others, over Hinduism, or Sikhism, or Jainism, or Wicca, or Shinto, or Discordia, or Bhuddism, or animism, or Islam, or Judaism, or Norse mythology, or Greek mythology, or Roman mythology, or. . . .
What makes yours more special than the others (evidence, not testimony)? And why aren't you demanding women keep their place and be silent about matters of faith, or giving away all your worldly things and going forth to preach, as commanded in the New Testament? Did God buy your computer?
Recap: Sorry. Atheists and folk like me already know where evil comes from. Don't need a God of Evil for that either. That's a Christian thing.
Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. (KJV)
James. And if you harm none, do what you will. (The Wiccan Rede is a much better moral compass than the Golden Rule.)
Boris Wrote:Let's say you were an all-powerful deity--not necessarily the Christian God--and you had an interest in creating one of Plato's Forms: say apricotness. You couldn't really do such a thing without creating the ante-form, the lack of apricotness, could you?
This puts a limitation on God: he is not omnipotent as he cannot create one thing without it's anteform. Christian theology insists God is omnipotent, so in theory God could create "good" without creating "evil." However, Isaiah clearly states he creates evil, so the point is moot.
"Be ye not lost amongst Precept of Order." - Book of Uterus, 1:5, "Principia Discordia, or How I Found Goddess and What I Did to Her When I Found Her."