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Catholicism would actually be the most likely controlled Christianity
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Catholicism would actually be the most likely controlled Christianity
When i ... ehem considered going to Christianity i realised Catholicism would more or less make the most literally point of being the one direction. Although they are super rich, then again Jesus didnt mind if it was to his honour from what i remember some person bought perfume for him or was it oil i dont remember and he said something like "you may always have each other but you may not always have me". So it wouldnt surprise me if people uses this to sorta enrich the church.

I actually considered orthodoxy for awhile. And then you had Islam. And while yes its pure nonsense i will just share my story on this.

Islam have satanic verses problem, you have maybe 10 people i think of indipendent sources, maybe 5 was authentic quickly rushed sources meaning that muslim leader shared it but didnt have source from the companion. In either case i found the historicity of the argument of it being true most likely, because there are several factors 1: Sahih al bukhari most trusted authentic hadith collection actually records the event, well minus mentioning that Satan has said the stuff to muhammad. But the thing with all bowing down, jinn, pagans i think muslims too. In either case the event was more or less in that. 2: Its also mentioned in the quranic book, not the exact detailed verse but its mentioned somewhere of it being done as a test when satans word came or something. I am too lazy to search it up but its in there. 3: i did give a theory that maybe they got the ideas from the hindus because they actually have a prophecy which may be 2000 or older years old about muhammad being possessed by a demon. So they may have made that story up to undo it. This was my theory for awhile but then i thought if Muslim leaders are liars then they arent actually honest people so that would be unlikely.

In any case this only became a problem later on when the idea of prophets cant do any wrong became cannonized i think 200 years later, that is when theologians became more aware and saw this as a problem.


In any case now i have given reasons on that, now let me talk about Orthodoxy or other stuff.

Orthodox Christianity dont believe the pope in rome has all authority over Christendom, they believe in patriarchy which is 5 church leaders but not one ruling over others. Here is why i think they are wrong.

I read the Gospel of Mark with "Who do you say i am" Peter says "I say you are Christ" Jesus says "Tell no one" and thats where it ends.

Now its a funny story with this, because Gospel of Mark was written by Mark, but it wasnt Mark's words. According to tradition Mark was a scribe of Peter aka the first Pope. So if he was the first pope why wouldnt he mention something so important in there if it had significant role. So for awhile i actually thought Catholicism was not the correct Christian path. But then i thought. According to tradition Matthew was inspired by an angel when he wrote Gospel of Matthew,

Matthew 16:18
And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”

This is what catholics use to justify papacy of oneness of church through popes as being the authority and one ruler of the church. Basically even if Peter didnt know and he was unaware i used to think it was the will of God that having this oneness through Peter was true. And if other evidence of history disaproved it. Then its all been in vain, but as to believethe words in the bible i said to myself. Catholicism made the most sense.

And i know what you may think. What about Zeus, thor???
Well i just used the typical well what will they do for you? I had a really authoritarian mindset on pure lifestyle choice, i wanted God as a guidance towards purification of evil and that would give peace and prosperity through giving and not taking, through purity. Considering the pagan world was made for desires and i used the devil as a reason for why they existed and that true creator would not be like this because they will fall astray as the bible says. Well that was atleast what i thought back then.


Well that was the path, well til i just stopped and thought for a second about psalm 2 and Luke 19:27. Then it was officially over for me. Now i am just a weakminded theist who wants to be good to others and live like that and of course not eat bad food and be active.


Well, thats my story how i got to where i am now. Let me know what you think. And sorry for a long boring wall of text.
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RE: Catholicism would actually be the most likely controlled Christianity
All religion is created in the imagination of humans. Not just ancient scripture but the continued repetition and embellishment of ancient scripture in the present. The Creed of Pope Francis and Rick Warren's 40 Days of Purpose model do not resemble the Christianity of the 1st century. Religion is a meme that is evolving , we can witness it in real time.
God thinks it's fun to confuse primates. Larsen's God!






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RE: Catholicism would actually be the most likely controlled Christianity
Any one who believes that a dead jew came back to life to atone for his or her fucking sins is a xtian as far as I am concerned and more than welcome to that disreputable title.  At that basic level, there is no difference between any of the thousands of sects which call themselves "xtian."
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RE: Catholicism would actually be the most likely controlled Christianity
So you just decided that "polytheism was because of the devil", why? What on earth made you think that they are "just for the desires"?
Wouldn't you think that was an utterly arrogant position?
Quote:I don't understand why you'd come to a discussion forum, and then proceed to reap from visibility any voice that disagrees with you. If you're going to do that, why not just sit in front of a mirror and pat yourself on the back continuously?
-Esquilax

Evolution - Adapt or be eaten.
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RE: Catholicism would actually be the most likely controlled Christianity
Personally I see nothing whatsoever wrong with desires, as long as they don't impact negatively on someone else. Desires brought us modern civilization, and I'm quite okay with that.

(Disclaimer: I used to be an agnostic polytheist, until I realized that I couldn't testify under oath that any god was real. Still vastly prefer pantheons of gods to some über-powerful One and Only God.)
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RE: Catholicism would actually be the most likely controlled Christianity
I'm a polyatheist.  There are many gods I don't believe in.

Big Grin
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#7
RE: Catholicism would actually be the most likely controlled Christianity
Becoming catholic definitely has the most historic street cred and glam factor, if you can see past the covering up and protecting of child molesters...
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psalm 14, KJV revised edition

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RE: Catholicism would actually be the most likely controlled Christianity
It's been stated before on this thread, but the words of a few dead men don't validate any sect of religion. I would believe that this exposes the fact that all religions are flawed in one way or another. Catholicism is the most formal church only because it was the first church to be organized around the belief in this "Messiah."

To talk more about the Catholic Church, it's one of the most corrupt positions on earth. As the Pope, you have influence over almost all corners of the earth, and not just religiously. Believe it or not, the Catholic Church has a vast reach of political influence. Since there are people who believe so heavily, they'll do anything to appease their delusion. Take the selling of Indulgences during the Middle Ages for example. But that's a story for another time.

And talking about the first "Pope", the writers of the new testament, historically, couldn't have existed during the time of Jesus. Aside from the gospels, which requires faith to take as fact, we have no true evidence for Jesus. However, we can prove the early Catholic leaders. This proves the Theocracy, not the religion.

- Will, the dude with a rocket launcher
Paul was a misogynist: A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 1st Timothy 2:11-13
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RE: Catholicism would actually be the most likely controlled Christianity
These early "popes" were real scumbags.  Kind of like modern popes.  

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vatica...can30a.htm


Quote:Pious Catholic historian and author Bishop Frotheringham extended this summary of Christian leaders up to his time:
Quote: "Many of the popes were men of the most abandoned lives. Some were magicians (occultists); others were noted for sedition, war, slaughter and profligacy of manners, for avarice and simony. Others were not even members of Christ, but the basest of criminals and enemies of all godliness. Some were children of their father, the Devil; most were men of blood; some were not even priests. Others were heretics. If the pope be a heretic, he is ipso facto no pope."
(The Cradle of Christ, Bishop Frotheringham, 1877
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RE: Catholicism would actually be the most likely controlled Christianity
(December 31, 2016 at 6:08 pm)Minimalist Wrote: These early "popes" were real scumbags.  Kind of like modern popes.  

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vatica...can30a.htm


Quote:Pious Catholic historian and author Bishop Frotheringham extended this summary of Christian leaders up to his time:

One pope held a party where nuts were strewn on the floor of the vatican and naked ladies sent into the room to pick up the nuts with a delicate part of their anatomy. The aim of the game was to screw as many of these ladies as possible and the winner got a prize.



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