RE: I wanted to apologize as a Christian....
March 31, 2017 at 8:28 am
(This post was last modified: March 31, 2017 at 8:39 am by Drich.)
(March 30, 2017 at 4:14 pm)Stimbo Wrote:(March 30, 2017 at 2:26 pm)Drich Wrote: Am I a OT Jew?? is that what you are saying? or do you still not understand the OT law (and the bits including stoning) only pertained to OT Jews!!!
Then tear the OT out of your book.
why?
The OT points to the NT. it gives meaning to the atonement, it underscores the wrath of God if we face Him in our sins. it also shows (as in the case of keeping the Sabbath holy) how religion corrupts even the most simple commands of God.
There is much to be learned not in following the rules but how those rules were used by corrupt people to obtain power and rule others. Which gives us an idea why God did not give us a set of rules like he did with the jews.
(March 30, 2017 at 2:47 pm)Brian37 Wrote:(March 30, 2017 at 2:26 pm)Drich Wrote: No one is trying to trivialize your understanding of sin.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se...ersion=ERV
Each of us has our own convictions. Most of it though is rooted in a pay to play version of Christianity. Which God can indeed work with. If you are honest about what you believe and know you limites and try to abide by them.
That said just as you can quote you never divorce passages. Know that the same unchanging God also included a provision for divorce With the allowance for remarriage despite How he felt. What's more Jesus Himself taught the passage that delivers this message.
Now understand two thing if you think your interpretation is correct that is the one you will be judge by. How ever also understand there is scripture that teaches the oppsite that must not be discarded but reconciled with what you already know.
That is what this whole thread is about ..cherry picking. or only looking at the verses that favor your idea of God. I point to a passage that should change your verion of God a great deal. like it or not it is in the bible and if we look to serve the God of the bible we must be willing to let God our idea of God and follow the God the bible points to.
Because I know none of us are right. Well not just me.. there are a lot of people who know that what we understand about God is not what saves us. However seeming those who in their minds had to worship the right version of God seem to now fill the atheist ranks, while people who knew their version of God had to remain fluid as it is impossible to have the right version.. Go on in the faith.. Meaning I might be one of only a few or in your word one of a billion. because you don't even know how broken our understanding of God was.
Am I a OT Jew?? is that what you are saying? or do you still not understand the OT law (and the bits including stoning) only pertained to OT Jews!!!
There is no law in the OT or NT, just a bunch of barked orders. Dictators like Hitler and Stalin and Kim Jong Un have laws too, they all had traffic lights and prisons too.
Your God character barks orders, that is not law, that is dictation. In the real civil west WE consent to our laws and we can change our laws and we can hold our politicians, judges, law enforcement to account and even our President. Your God character as written does not need our permission via vote to govern us. We cannot have your God Character impeached or charged with crimes. That is the behavior of a king, a dictator, not an elected official who needs our permission to write laws for us.
You STILL Don't understand... How is it you can be so smug and self righteous and not take time to understand the subject you are on about?
THERE ARE NO RULES IN CHRISTIANITY. Christ died to free us/His followers from the law of sin. The Law only now serves one purpose. to point to sin in the unbelievers life, and therefore push that person to repent of their sin. Once we do we become righteous, because Christ is righteous.
Again that is what the primary subject matter is in the book of Romans.
(March 30, 2017 at 3:32 pm)vorlon13 Wrote:(March 30, 2017 at 12:08 pm)Minimalist Wrote: How many WalMart workers have you stoned to death for working on the sabbath, Dripshit. You see. You are just a phony after all.
The only way to avoid the Sabbath stoning one is to accept Apostle Paul's retconning of Jesus. Funny though, how the Pauline-ites left the incriminating passage in their own approved bible. Seems like, then as now (Joseph Smith, tee hee) the paperwork always trips up the apostates.
I forget, was it Jesus or Paul that put in the bit about swilling poison and molesting deadly serpents ?? Well, no matter, it's still a handy test for us to wield against scripture cherry pickers of any stripe.
Actually Jesus points out first that 'keeping the Sabbath holy' had nothing to do with not working in the book of mat. That the pharrisees corrupted the law and the meaning of the Sabbath. That is why he himself performed miricles/worked on the Sabbath.
