(March 31, 2017 at 8:28 am)Drich Wrote:(March 30, 2017 at 4:14 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Then tear the OT out of your book.
why?
The OT points to the NT. it gives meaning to the atonement, it underscores the wrath of God if we face Him in our sins. it also shows (as in the case of keeping the Sabbath holy) how religion corrupts even the most simple commands of God.
There is much to be learned not in following the rules but how those rules were used by corrupt people to obtain power and rule others. Which gives us an idea why God did not give us a set of rules like he did with the jews.
(March 30, 2017 at 2:47 pm)Brian37 Wrote: There is no law in the OT or NT, just a bunch of barked orders. Dictators like Hitler and Stalin and Kim Jong Un have laws too, they all had traffic lights and prisons too.
Your God character barks orders, that is not law, that is dictation. In the real civil west WE consent to our laws and we can change our laws and we can hold our politicians, judges, law enforcement to account and even our President. Your God character as written does not need our permission via vote to govern us. We cannot have your God Character impeached or charged with crimes. That is the behavior of a king, a dictator, not an elected official who needs our permission to write laws for us.
You STILL Don't understand... How is it you can be so smug and self righteous and not take time to understand the subject you are on about?
THERE ARE NO RULES IN CHRISTIANITY. Christ died to free us/His followers from the law of sin. The Law only now serves one purpose. to point to sin in the unbelievers life, and therefore push that person to repent of their sin. Once we do we become righteous, because Christ is righteous.
Again that is what the primary subject matter is in the book of Romans.
(March 30, 2017 at 3:32 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: The only way to avoid the Sabbath stoning one is to accept Apostle Paul's retconning of Jesus. Funny though, how the Pauline-ites left the incriminating passage in their own approved bible. Seems like, then as now (Joseph Smith, tee hee) the paperwork always trips up the apostates.
I forget, was it Jesus or Paul that put in the bit about swilling poison and molesting deadly serpents ?? Well, no matter, it's still a handy test for us to wield against scripture cherry pickers of any stripe.
Actually Jesus points out first that 'keeping the Sabbath holy' had nothing to do with not working in the book of mat. That the pharrisees corrupted the law and the meaning of the Sabbath. That is why he himself performed miricles/worked on the Sabbath.
You getting offended does not make me "smug", the feeling you are having is called cognitive dissonance.
Laws in the modern west are consented to. The laws of the bible reflect the real kingdoms of antiquity, and back then, even in polytheism, humans lived under ruling families who did not need their subject's permission to rule over them. Not my baggage you don't want to accept that. That book does not reflect modern society, it was written for the societies of that time.
