Trans people & sports

[Shell B]

If male to female trans retain higher than average levels of testosterone
which gives them an advantage [ although not an unfair one ] over cis females so be it. It should actually provide cis females with inspiration to train and compete even harder

That doesn't make any sense. If they retain higher levels of testosterone and have an advantage, there is no way bio females can just "try harder."

There is no point in transgenders actually undergoing transition if society is going to treat them according to their gender of birth.

Well, I disagree. I think they should transition to make themselves feel more themselves. It helps them on a personal level. I'm not necessarily talking about treating them differently. I'm talking about whether it's hurting biological women in sports. If it is, we need to think of a solution that is fair to everyone. I might feel like a kid inside, but it's not cool for me to go kick some ass at a Little League game.

Cis people are routinely treated according to their gender of choice

Oh, come on. Choice? Now we're acting as if people have a choice as to the gender they're born with. We've just come right around from "it's not a choice" to "it's not a choice, unless you're a straight person who is comfortable with their biological gender."

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When someone competes as a tran athlete their gender should be the one they have transitioned to not the one they were born with. So male to female trans should compete
as females against other females. Female to male trans should compete as males against other males. If male to female trans retain higher than average levels of testosterone
which gives them an advantage [ although not an unfair one ] over cis females so be it. It should actually provide cis females with inspiration to train and compete even harder

There is no point in transgenders actually undergoing transition if society is going to treat them according to their gender of birth. They should in all circumstances be treated according
to their gender of choice after transition. Society should not be allowed to deny them this. Cis people are routinely treated according to their gender of choice so there is no reason why
trans should not be accorded the same  I am not a white knight or a social justice warrior and I do not speak for any trans. I am an egalitarian who thinks that while human beings are
fundamentally different to each other in some respects and less so in others they should as far as possible be treated as equal. Denying trans their legitimacy is not how to achieve this

Why do you have to wait until they transitioned?  Are you saying a transgender woman who hasn't gone through the operations is not really a woman?

Well, I know I am. She's not physically a woman yet. She has the build and hormones of a man. Basically, fuck cis women, huh? Let them get their faces beat in by trans folk who are physically men in the ring for the cause of equality! Yeah. You (general you) keep talking about trans rights, but don't seem to give a shit about cis women. Noice.