Trans people & sports

[I_am_not_mafia]

If male to female trans retain higher than average levels of testosterone
which gives them an advantage [ although not an unfair one ] over cis females so be it. It should actually provide cis females with inspiration to train and compete even harder

That doesn't make any sense. If they retain higher levels of testosterone and have an advantage, there is no way bio females can just "try harder."

There is no point in transgenders actually undergoing transition if society is going to treat them according to their gender of birth.

Well, I disagree. I think they should transition to make themselves feel more themselves. It helps them on a personal level. I'm not necessarily talking about treating them differently. I'm talking about whether it's hurting biological women in sports. If it is, we need to think of a solution that is fair to everyone. I might feel like a kid inside, but it's not cool for me to go kick some ass at a Little League game.

Cis people are routinely treated according to their gender of choice

Oh, come on. Choice? Now we're acting as if people have a choice as to the gender they're born with. We've just come right around from "it's not a choice" to "it's not a choice, unless you're a straight person who is comfortable with their biological gender."

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Why do you have to wait until they transitioned?  Are you saying a transgender woman who hasn't gone through the operations is not really a woman?

Well, I know I am. She's not physically a woman yet. She has the build and hormones of a man. Basically, fuck cis women, huh? Let them get their faces beat in by trans folk who are physically men in the ring for the cause of equality! Yeah. You (general you) keep talking about trans rights, but don't seem to give a shit about cis women. Noice.

Stop being histrionic Shell. How many sports involve beating in faces? You are also wrong in that women can't fight as well as men, just differently according to body type. Ciswoman vs ciswoman in combat will still get equally damaged. Suggesting that women can't punch or kick properly is wrong and insulting to all women trained in combat sports / arts. I have personally trained women in thai boxing.

You have also deliberately ignored the fact that post-op on hormones transwomen will lose any physical advantage of having had a male body both in muscle mass and yes also bone structure if given enough time. A year is not enough. Your deliberately selective and emotive examples suggest an alternative agenda.