RE: Trans people & sports
April 5, 2017 at 4:18 am
(This post was last modified: April 5, 2017 at 4:27 am by I_am_not_mafia.)
(April 4, 2017 at 8:17 pm)Shell B Wrote: This is not comparable to race by a long stretch.
The entire point of this thread is to discuss whether trans people have an advantage because they are different from biological women in demonstrable ways, which is mitigated to some degree or 100% (this is what's up for debate) by transitioning. That's why they're singled out. They are not biologically female, which has historically been the criteria. New criteria need to be made. Something fairly new is happening, and that fairly new thing is trans people competing in sports. Women have always been there. Therefore, trans women are being singled out as the new kids on the block. Once there is enough scientific evidence, and enough competition has shown they women and trans women are comparable in sporting events, there will be a solution that may not single out trans women. We don't know yet because we're not there yet. I wish them the best of luck, and I hope some really great researchers get on this without being stifled by the PC crowd, so the question can be put to rest.
Why isn't it comparable to race? Neither is a lifestyle choice.
You refer to biological women, what exactly is biological? Aren't hormones part of our biology? Or are you referring to the Y chromosone? In which case how do trans women genetics confer any advantage? And what about non trans women who aren't XX who have been able to compete but we have only historically recently found out about with widespread genetic testing? What does it mean to be a biological woman?
Natal or cisgendered women are better expressions for this reason.
Also please leave out the whole idea of the PC crowd stifling debate. If people take personal offence at something then expressing that offence is no more PC then when you also object to something. Trans people should not have to put up and shut up (which has until very, very recently been the case) any more than you do.
To use a PC phrase, check your privilege.