RE: What the name of God is.
April 5, 2017 at 10:14 am
(This post was last modified: April 5, 2017 at 10:14 am by Mystic.)
(April 5, 2017 at 10:10 am)Brian37 Wrote:(April 5, 2017 at 9:48 am)MysticKnight Wrote: You guys always talk about how there is no way to know God exists....all the time. So if he exists, how do we know? This is basically the implicit premise when you say.... Why should we believe in God.... you are implying there is no good reason, no connection.
You always say if God exists, how do we know which one, Brahma, Yahweh, etc... so the implicit premise is if he exists, we have no way to know which one......
I am showing you God makes a living connection to him...and the connected to is Him although we never fully reach him, we know we are aiming in the right direction with the glorification, and so this is through the leader and guide of our time who's light extends to all things!
I don't speak for every atheist, nor do they speak for me. I think you should treat us as individuals.
Some atheists do say there there is no way to know. I hate those atheists putting it that way when what they really mean is that god/God claims cannot be falsified through scientific method.
I disagree. I am only "technically" and semantically only agnostic about the future. Currently though, my "God switch" is in the position of "off" as far as all past and present claims.
I don't like my fellow atheists claiming god claims cannot be falsified through scientific method. Victor Stenger in his book "The New Atheism" says that science DOES have something to say about god claims. I agree.
Not being able to see something directly is a fallacy. We can see the unseen indirectly through the sciences. It is why we know that black holes exist. It is why even a layperson knows wind exists even though it seems invisible we do see the effects it has on trees and bushes and leaves.
I employ several factors in saying "God does not exist" and stand by that claim.
1. Ocham's Razor says that out of all claims people can make to attempt to fill in a gap, the postulated answer with the least baggage is going to be your most likely answer.
So, our species history has produced tons of dead myths and god claims nobody believes today, just like all the other god claims you rightfully reject. Ochams razor says to me that it is infinitely far more likely humans make them up.
2. Evolution PROVES that life evolved to gap fill. Life does not always have time to slow down to observe. Our fight and flight evolution lead our species to make bad guesses. We ended up projecting our own qualities on the world around us as a false perception as a placebo coping mechanism. By giving human qualities to say, volcanos, weather, animals, we created superstitions as a way to falsely "bargain" with the world around us. That did create groups and those groups grew larger even based on totally false claims. That in turn gave our species safety in numbers and more opportunity at resources and creating offspring.
3. We can detect the "unseen" through scientific method. It is why we have discovered black holes and particles smaller than an atom, like the Higgs/Bolson particle and neutrinos. It is because those unseen particles have an effect on the things we can see. Just like we can see a leaf blow across the road without seeing every individual molecule of our atmosphere which appears clear, which we call wind.
I don't agree with my fellow atheists that we cant know. I'd only say that if the one claiming a god/God/deity/super natural is unwilling to test and falsify that claim in a neutral lab, it is a claim that is not worthy of consideration. But I wont back down off of the attitude, even if one is willing to try that, it will fail, for all the reasons I stated above.
NO I don't know the future. But I also wont waste my time on a claim if someone were claiming an invisible pink unicorn farted us into existence. i wont lose any sleep ditching that claim either.
I am going to make a thread of sciencetism. I will see you there. But in a couple of days since I have assignments due soon!