(April 17, 2017 at 12:57 pm)Brian37 Wrote:Goal posts anyone? The argument made was to Trump's religious views. All I was point out at one point in his life he was very religious to come so close to have a priest as a mentor. I had a mentor priest and let me tell you there's not a whole lot beside religion we spoke about.(April 17, 2017 at 12:40 pm)Drich Wrote: Not saying you are wrong, bout the political stuff.. But if you read trump's book one of the men in whom he holds in having the greatest impact on his life (Taught Him/important to "win") It was his first priest. Stayed in contact with him and took care of him till the old man died.
So? That priest had little to nothing to do with why he is a fucking dick now.
Quote:His daddy bullied Trump growing up. Trump desperately wanted to please his daddy so in turn Trump bullied others the way his dad bullied him., And while that made him successful it was not in a good way or moral way, he turned around and bullied lots of people and used courts and lawyers as a heat shield. Trump DOES NOT know or doesn't care about the difference between legal and moral.Or maybe like the rest of America (The America who voted Him in) Trump simply does not care about your snow flake version of morality.
Quote:There are also liberal celebrities and musicians and business people and politicians that can also point to a holy person they thought was influential. That doesn't prove any god real. People with other religions also point to their holy people too.What the ff's are you talking about I was speaking or adding to what Paul paublo said, which was in response to Huggy's "two Corinthians" thing. Meaning trump is using religion to advance his political career as Hitler did. I pointed out trump at one time was very religious because of his choice and care taking of his preist mentor.
Plus now that I think about it when ever trump was in Orlando he's go see a lady minister in the little town of Apopka. She is/was idk her current status his Goto Preacher. I think she was apart of the inauguration even..
(April 17, 2017 at 12:40 pm)Drich Wrote: Not saying you are wrong, bout the political stuff.. But if you read trump's book one of the men in whom he holds in having the greatest impact on his life (Taught Him/important to "win") It was his first priest. Stayed in contact with him and took care of him till the old man died.
Then please.. explain when on becomes a Christian?
Quote:When you say "that sounds nice". No thought in that. If you want to believe anything badly enough you will. Someone sold you something and you never considered the necessity of quality control of comparing and independent peer review. Humans peddle all sorts of bad claims and they can make their sales pitches in very elaborate ways. You simply fell for it.That's the thing I guess. I don't need my friends approval to set and or determine what it is I think. I am able to Discern truth on my own. The only time I look to other is when the subject matter takes specialized understanding.. Here's the thing you 'intelects' have missed. God is not found in a degree, or a specialized place. He is found in plain sight when one has humility and a willingness to meet Him on His terms.
If you found God in plain sight, and He responded to you, would you then truly need a group of peers to tell you if it was or was not God you met?
Quote:FYI nobody "becomes" anything.That's not true. I became a husband on 3-15-03 We are all humans from the day we are born to the day we die. You only adapt a position or leave a position. I didn't "become" an atheist. My light switch is still a light switch, the only thing that changed was I left "on" for "off".
Quote:When did you "become" a non Muslim? Still make sense?after years of intense study
Quote:When did you "become" a non Hindu? Still make sense?I never considered Hinduism as I've never took it seriously enough to study.
Quote:When did you "become" a non Jew? Still make sense?When I figured out that Judaism in it's original form is a dead religion.
Quote:When did you "become" a non Buddhist? Still make sense?when it was forbidden in the household.
It does make sense because apart for the jonny go lightlys in life some of use do consider things outside of the culture we were born in. for those who do so stake a claim to not being apart or not accept a religion after being courted by it.
Your little demonstration only makes sense to those in whom have never made a conscious effort to be anything they weren't born into.
When you are a 1/2 breed you don't automatically get a heritage or culture to draw from. you have to earn or "BECOME" who you are. Infect most of you also do this even if it is to a lessor degree meaning you hug one side of your culture more than you do the other.
Quote:No, you were likely raised and sold a the religious belief as a kid,if that were true then I would be a Buddhist.
Quote:or you adapted your position but you didn't "become" anything.again not true. I studied many disciplines and choose the one that I found to contain truth.
Quote: It isn't like your body literally goes from being a human to "becoming" a salamander. NO magic involved.why aren't mental transformation apart of your considerations?
Quote:I was sold religion when I was a kid, when I didn't have adult critical thinking skills. When I started questioning that built up over time till my position changed.I too was sold a religion and my position changed as I grew older. However I found God, even though I started out looking for just an idea of God.
Now just because your inclinations put you on a path where you will never see God, Does it mean everything I know to be true is a lie?