(April 21, 2017 at 11:18 am)Minimalist Wrote:(April 21, 2017 at 6:42 am)Brian37 Wrote: This surprises the sane why? Trump is the fucking asshole who ran with the birther crap about Obama long before he ran. But lets not lump all middle Americans in with that fuckface. We do need the rustbelt states and we do need to expand our maps. The democratic party exists in every state in this country. Not everyone with southern draw buys into the old white bigoted bullshit.
I doubt these guys like this asshole AG....
https://www.facebook.com/OklahomaAtheists/
https://www.facebook.com/AtlantaAtheists/
Nor do I think this redneck comedian would like that asshole either.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTHsQd-...p4vpifl6yA
If we don't like the vilifying the far right bigots do, then lets not make assumptions about every rural person. My best friend is a middle American who says "Taters" and he lives in Oklahoma and loves banjos and is a liberal and hates Trump as much as you and I do.
Again, Brian, when speaking in generalities some poor bastard is always going to get tarred with the wrong brush. But the WLB won some of these counties with 75% of the vote. I'm sorry your friend lives among them but if they were stupid enough to vote for slogans and a crooked asshole with a hat then they get what they deserve.
Your friend should move.
Oh so you know him personally?
This is the same crappy argument I hear from the far right about Islam, "Let em take care of their own countries".
No sorry, our map wont expand thinking like that. Do you want more blue states or do you simply want to keep losing? Do you want a more secular middle east?
Yes I agree that the middle of the country is still far to conservative, but no you don't have any clue what you are talking about when it comes to my personal friend. My Mom was a mostly lifetime voting republican and she raised me in pluralistic Northern Va.
How many times have we heard from far right bigots "If you don't like America leave", now here you are telling a fellow liberal "If you don't like your state leave".
I will defend my friend and no, he doesn't have to move, he has as much right to stay where he is at as atheists have the right to live in America.
This is why we keep losing. We allow the GOP to divide the races. We allow the GOP to pit urban poor against republican rural poor and I will not abandon an liberal in any state. He doesn't want us saying "fuck you" to him, he wants our help so he can flip Oklahoma blue. And they did have a DEMOCRAT governor at one point, so it is bullshit to say we shouldn't try.
You are not going to pull that "us vs them" crap trying to pit me against a very kind empathetic person. My suggestion is that you get to know people first and only judge the individual. I am fine going after bigots, but just like Muslims I will not lump all "rednecks" in one lump. Just like some atheists whom are not "rednecks" do support Trump.
Now you talk of percentages. You do understand 30 years ago the polls asking if Americans would consider atheists for public office were nothing, and while we may not be at the top of the list, the polling is far better now.
So you would not vote for John because he likes banjos and country music even if he is for LGBT and is for the economic left? Stupid to me as a tactic if you want our policies to cover more of the nation.
"We will never get those red states" sounds like "we will never have a black president".
Sure, if you've already written liberals in those states off we wont grow long term.
