Without the Shedding of Blood There is No Remission of Sin

[Rhondazvous]

It's not god that we call names but the god that the church invented. I'll say it again, I don't start with Jesus shedding his blood. I start with your god setting things up for Adam to sin and then making up this blood requirement for the sin he set up.  Doesn't god take some responsibility for his own part in this and become a sinner himself in need of atonement for the sin he caused Adam to commit?

No god doesn't have to live by our standards, nor do we have to live by the standards the church made up and claimed were god's.  You can't make up this blood thirsty god and then try to understand why we don't love him.

You don't seem to want to answer my question as to whether or not you are an atheist.  Your arguments about the christian God hold no weight as far as I can see other than to say you think he is evil.  You're just applying your own logic to how you believe God should act and that you don't believe in him.  Since God is the creator of us and is a different entity, our logic cannot be determined to be the motivating force for his actions.  When he determined that Jesus must die for our sins he wasn't using your logic.  We just know that is what had to be and it was done in love for us.  Do you believe in a god who fits your image of what he should be or are you an atheist?

I see, so since you can't think up a reasonable counter to what I say, you opt to avoid the issue by asking irrelevant questions. My argument doesn't have to bear weight with you. You're the evangelist not me. It's on you to convince me. Personally I couldn't care less what you believe and your refusal to acknowledge what I'm saying doesn't convince me that your god is real.

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I don't believe in Zeus.  I think the many of the deeds attributed to him are evil, but I don't spend any time expounding on how evil he is, and I don't use that as a reason to not believe in him.  If he really is a god then I would expect him to operate with different logic than myself.  A god who knows all things makes his decisions from that perspective.  He makes his decisions based on their eternal implications.

It's been quite some time since evangelists for Zeus tried to force their beliefs on me and get laws passed to force me to live according to Zeusian moral codes. If they try it again, you can bet I will have something to say. And don't pretend that you wouldn't also have something to say if they tried to make public schools teach about Hades and Mount Olympus..