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Without the Shedding of Blood There is No Remission of Sin
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RE: Without the Shedding of Blood There is No Remission of Sin
(April 25, 2017 at 11:57 pm)SteveII Wrote: If there is a God who created everything--and he very much expects his creation to behave, what part of that leads you to believe that he does not have the right to judge someone and take their life? You seem to be saying that God did not have the right to judge them and take their life because the right thing to do was wait for someone to die of some other cause and then judge them? What would make the former less 'right' than the latter? Do you understand how insignificant a human lifetime is to an eternal God? It does not even register.

If god created... but there is no evidence that god created anything. There is no evidence for any of the stories in the Genesis ever happened, no matter what religion. World has been mapped and thoroughly explored and yet nobody ever found firewall around Garden of Eden.

And what is this bullshit about that we chose sin so we should all pay the price? I didn't chose anything. Think about that: long ago, long before you were even born, the actions of a prehistoric relative condemned you to a lifetime of being vulnerable to viruses, bacteria, predators, earthquakes, fires, floods, hurricanes, tornados, and tsunamis. Is this fair? Why would a god who is concerned with justice feel the need to punish people or allow them to suffer through inaction because of something their ancient ancestors did thousands of years ago? There is a good reason why court systems in developed societies do not punish innocent people for crimes their great-great grandparents may have committed. They don't do it because it would be unjust and barbaric. Shouldn't believers expect at least the same level of justice from their gods?

I think believers would do better to simply consider another possibility. Can't all of this be explained more easily by the possibility that gods do not exist? Isn't it more likely that natural disasters kill thousands of people each year-regardless of their religion or behavior-because nature is an unintelligent and indifferent process?
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: Without the Shedding of Blood There is No Remission of Sin - by Fake Messiah - April 26, 2017 at 3:26 am

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