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Without the Shedding of Blood There is No Remission of Sin
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RE: Without the Shedding of Blood There is No Remission of Sin
(April 26, 2017 at 2:28 pm)SteveII Wrote:
(April 26, 2017 at 12:54 pm)Chad32 Wrote: I don't believe someone has the right to kill someone else, just because person A is person B's creator. That's why we have child protection services. As for judgments, this is the guy who had a man stoned to death for picking up sticks on the wrong day of the week. Killed children for things their parents did. Told people that slavery, mass murder, and rape is ok, within certain boundaries, but two men having consensual sex is worthy of death. The morality of the bible is skewed. What does he do to try to improve society, besides kill people, or put minor restrictions on things that most people in modern society have abolished after the enlightenment? 

His judgments and actions don't make sense in a world where the more developed nations no longer have kings and emporers that can do as they please, with no checks and balances. Supposedly he created the world, and our ancestors. It's said he can count the hairs on our heads, yet he doesn't know we can't control our thoughts, and that a healthy sexual relationship is important for our mental and physical wellbeing, instead of just being a way to make more of us. Why should he have the right to kill us, or judge us? What makes him better than us, aside from just being more powerful? If I can kick your ass, does it make me more moral? I bet I can make you say yes if I beat you badly enough, but it won't make me right.

You are making a category mistake. God and his creation are not in the same category and as such does not have the same obligations to each other say two humans have. 

While I could quibble about your exact examples of God's laws, it was a different time and a different system--a theocracy--coming out of a civilization where you lived and died each day according to your wits and the whims of those around you. God very much wanted his people to obey a certain set of guidelines.The structure was unlike anything ever implemented--and it had a purpose: to be set apart from the other people groups. 

You seem to be implying that we should be bound by the rules of the theocracy that only existed for 400 years (from the Exodus to the fist King)--where even during that time they didn't seem to follow it all that often (the time of the Judges). The Bible does not teach that. 

You are right about God's judgments not making sense in our modern times. That's why you have to study the conditions and the reasons of the time of the action to understand it. 

He understands our desires but still has rules that he thinks (as only an omniscient person could) are better for society in general (greater good) and for the individual's long-term internal welfare. 

While God certainly still has the right to 'kill' us (because the categories remain the same), do you think that Christians believe that he does kill people as judgement today? I certainly don't believe that and don't know anyone who does.

If he's in a different category, then what good is he to us? He doesn't show himself. He's so alien to us, as to be impossible to understand. The idea of it being a different time and place doesn't really hold water, when most christians say he's all knowing, never changes, and is perfect. So why did he do things that didn't work in the long run, and don't apply to today's time. What good is the bible when we can throw the majority of it out as irrelevant? Those rules that are supposed to help us are outdated, save for more vague rules like be nice to others, that you can learn from any other book from other cultures.

You've never heard of people saying some natural disaster was god's wrath upon a sinful people? People today kill in his name because of those rules that are supposedly supposed to help society.

He's incomprehensible, unrelatable, and the teachings of his book are either outdated, or can be learned just as easily from other books puportedly divinely inspired by other deities.
Poe's Law: "Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing."

10 Christ-like figures that predate Jesus. Link shortened to Chris ate Jesus for some reason...
http://listverse.com/2009/04/13/10-chris...ate-jesus/

Good video to watch, if you want to know how common the Jesus story really is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88GTUXvp-50

A list of biblical contradictions from the infallible word of Yahweh.
http://infidels.org/library/modern/jim_m...tions.html

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RE: Without the Shedding of Blood There is No Remission of Sin - by Chad32 - April 26, 2017 at 3:20 pm

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