(April 25, 2017 at 7:40 pm)Rhondazvous Wrote:(Be kind...Drich it looks lke she doesn't know any better not that she is trolling you so.. Be Kind)(April 24, 2017 at 8:43 am)Drich Wrote: In short. Without sin there is only God's will. Only God's will =no ability to choose anything outside of it. Enter the knoweledge of god's will and of evil. Now we have choice for the first time.That's like saying if there were no atom bomb we couldn't choose disarmament. Since disarmament is a good thing, it was necessary to build the bomb and it's not the builder's fault if we cheese to use the bomb rather than disarmament.
Problem chose sin= choose death.
but if sinner choose to repent, they choose life and God.
God from the beginning set up the process of sin and repentance so that we may choose to be with God, or to separate ourselves from Him.
That not how sin/choice works. Look at the name of the tree A&E ate from. It is the tree of the knowledge of Good and evil. Not the tree of sin, not the tree of choice, not the tree of original sin. So what is in a name? the description of what the tree represents. Simply the knowledge of good and evil. Once A&E ate from the tree they knew what it was to sin. So when they could not help themselves but to sin and they knew what they were doing and how it affected God, they were punished for their conscientious awareness to make a sinful decision.
Understand 'free will' is not what is being discussed here hence you atom bomb arguement is moot completely. "Free will is a greek construct based on nonbiblical principles."
Sin is acknowledged willful action against God. The choice we have is to hate this almost involuntary act and repent of it. to seek God even though we are sin machines that will never stop sinning. That is the choice God gave us. it's not about whether to sin or not sin it is about repenting of it. Sin is not a choice as Paul says we are slaves to sin. So enter Jesus and his sacrifice now all sin is moot. (if and when you atone) So what is left? desire to be with God or your desire to serve self/all that is not God.
Quote:This is astronomically more ridiculous when the builder is omniscient.Or when the person I'm speaking with is far less omniscient than I myself am.
Quote:You can explain Christian doctrine all you want, but youcan't make it coherent.I can if you are willing to admit you know very little about biblical principle, and are willing to learn something new/you've probably never heard before.