(April 27, 2017 at 10:20 am)AtlasS33 Wrote:(April 26, 2017 at 7:40 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Child brides do exist as a religious meme in lots of history worldwide in antiquity, and I did mention that Even here in the Americas, North and South America the age of consent varies. That still does not excuse it. More and more of western society is saying no to that kind of thing and demanding that consent be more along the lines towards 18 years of age. Teens and pre teens should not be getting married. Especially not young girls to old men.
"Other people do it too", is not an excuse. they shouldn't be doing it either. Mormon Latter Day Saint leader Warren Jeffs tried that shit with his followers and got arrested for it, here in America. Girls worldwide should not be told by men of any religion whom to marry and should not be forced to marry and also should not be forced into sex trafficking FOR ANY RESON including for religious reasons.
I also find Jewish baby genital mutilation for boys equally as sick as female genital mutilation when Christians or Muslims in Africa do it. Adults should allow kids to grow up, and guide them, not indoctrinate them. Adults should focus on educating their kids, not treating them like property. You educate kids, you don't train them like a circus animal or treat them like livestock. I could give a shit less which religion is justifying what. Not just you, but any, including Jews and Christians and Buddhist and Hindus. Kids are not property and girls are not property.
The reference to other people is more of an explanation than a justification.
It's a widespread act; moreover it's debatable to the core when we speak about the Quran.
Your only way to marry to a child if you're a Muslim, is to use the Hadith. Then the doors to pedophilia will open up.
Use the Quran alone, and you'll be faced with the issue of different opinions and lack of evidence. But use the Hadith; bingo: you will be able to marry kids in no time.
(April 26, 2017 at 7:44 pm)Crunchy Wrote: No you have not answered. I'm asking how you justify the evil in the Quran.
Just like the first time you ignored the question, and instead cherry picked something nice and pretended there are no vile ideas in the Quran. What you do is either ignore or perform a song and dance concerning all the evil and vile ideas in the Quran.
You're like a nazi who thinks Hitler was great because he loved animals and built beautiful roads and turned the economy around while ignoring or justifying his evils.
It's a kind of evil itself to feel all cozy and warm reading a cute verse from the Quran while ignoring the one next to it calling for wife beatings or the rape of a captive female.
Ok, I'm a nazi..
You're a...Potato !
Potato rhymes with Tomato..What a A-Ho!
"Silent E"..he he
No Atlas, I know you truly believe and want to believe the Quran has all the answers to human morality, but no sorry, if it were a cure there wouldn't be those actions happening at all. I am being fair to you because I point out that morality isn't handed down to any club by any holy person of any holy writing. All nations have hospitals and prisons. And sexual abuse of boys and girls and assault on women IS a worldwide thing in all religions to some degree.
That says to me, our behaviors are in us. I am sure you don't like other Muslims doing those things, I wish they wouldn't either. But that is the same argument I get from every other religion, "They aren't true..... " or "They aren't interpreting it right".
Muslims and Hindus and Buddhists and Jews and Christians and even all the other religions are all made up of humans and if everyone can admit there is good and bad in every single religion, then maybe humans simply need to admit the behaviors are in our genes, upbringing and mental state.
And I also would say the same to my fellow atheists. Not even the word "atheist" has the magic power to make the holder of that position only do good.
We see in other species the same group dynamics in both cooperation, compassion and force and cruelty within the group and against other rival groups.
There is no cosmic hero helping us. If humans want to reduce harm then it is in our hands, no super hero is helping us.
