(April 30, 2017 at 10:14 pm)SteveII Wrote:see above
SteveII Wrote:Your hypothetical is impossible, so an answer is just nonsense.
Steve, do you understand what a hypothetical question even is?
Because.. hypothetical questions are just that-- they're hypothetical.
The situation of --would you kill a baby if your god told you to-- does not need to align perfectly with reality (obviously) in order to have an answer at all, much less the fictional tales told in the bible. So your timey wimey flim flammy circles of deflection have zero bearing on the hypothetical question at hand.
You just don't want to answer, and you're doing so by insisting, for some outlandish reason, that hypothetical situations need to align perfectly with reality in order to have an answer at all! Which is just.. ridiculous. Just so you know, you're being ridiculous. Do you know what that means? I could ridicule you. But, I wont.
This whole you and Lek not being able to answer a simple hypothetical question (well I mean it's simple for me, I'd tell so and so god where to shove it!), is taking wayyyyy too much time and attention from the actual point I'm trying to impart upon you, and the subject of this thread. Blood sacrifice, as described in Old and New testament, and why it's even a requisite?
Steve Wrote:Don't confuse being 'raised Christian' as knowing anything about doctrine. If anything, your example of the atheists here prove that daily.
Tisk tisk, brother Steve, you seem to be unsure of your own doctrine. Best not go flaunting your superiority complex, hmm?
SteveII Wrote:First, Jesus' words have nothing to do with what you are implying. The verse is about the Law--which is the commandments written down by Moses--and clearly NOT the whole OT as you seem to think.
Hmmm.. This makes me wonder, what do you think the law is, exactly? Let's ask your fellow indoctrined..
https://www.biblica.com/bible/bible-faqs...this-mean/ Wrote:When “the law” is mentioned in the Bible, it harks back to the days of the Old Testament. There are hundreds of commands given to the Israelites, but the phrase “the law” refers specifically to the compilation of decrees found in the first five books of the Bible. This whole body of law was given the name Torah.
Obedience to this law was the awesome obligation of God’s people as they attempted to merit His favor and blessing. After all, Israel was His special people, and they were bound together in a solemn covenant with Him. So the laws are not just some rules laid down by the tribal chief, but they were the laws of the covenant community. When the law was transgressed, the covenant was broken, and so was the relationship with God! That’s why the law occupied such a huge place in the life of Israel.
If you didn't know already--which it really looks like ya don't--this thread is about those laws, including blood sacrifice, hence it's title.
SteveII Wrote:Most of the verses have nothing to do with God commanding anything. They clearly point out the ancient world was a very hard place.
Was it?? Was it a really very a hard and difficult place to live in, far harsher than our own, so that all morality can just go right out the window???
I clearly see the beginning of those verses clearly stating, "god commands". And considering the Israelites supposedly had a direct line of communication with god.. I see no reason why not. Are you saying god didn't order the Amelekites to be killed, every. Last. One. Of them? For daring to tell the Jews no, you can't just walk up and have my land, farm, wife, or house???
Are you also saying god would never command the death of a baby, thus illigitimizing the OT and NT doctrine you supposedly subscribe to?
You're trying to avoid these questions entirely because there's no satisfactory answer, is there? Would you kill for your god? The fact that you can't outright say no, of course not, is what I believe the OP is pointing out to be ridiculous about your belief system, both pointing out the hypocrisy of the indoctrined while also illigitimizing your belief in such a god.
(Feel free to correct me, Rhondezvous, if that was not the intent of this thread?)
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!
Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.
I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.
Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.
Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.
Quote:Some people deserve hell.
I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.